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Post by jimlukelkc on Apr 29, 2013 8:35:32 GMT
As an instructor, until relatively recently, I used a long-time student and trusted dan-grade to demonstrate technique to the class. I knew how much control I could use and knew his reactions would be natural and illustrative of the effects. Due to his work/family commitments he is not always there and so I have been using a 4th kyu for this purpose and whilst he is in general a good lad and has a good attitude most of the time, it is obvious he does not see this as a privilege or understand the position of trust he has been placed in. The other students have picked up on this and will cruelly ask to see certain techniques demonstrated again in order to see him roll his eyes or witness his discomfort. I was discussing this with the dan grade, who is of the opinion that being hit is an important part of training ( but he is nuts , I asked him how my sundome was a few weeks ago and he said ' perfect sensei, you hit me and I didnt die!'). Do others use the same tori or uke or do you spread it around a little?
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Post by garage on Apr 29, 2013 11:16:34 GMT
When I used to do classes I used anyone and moved it around so that they all had a go.
I found people needed to train for about 6 weeks before thay became predictable enough. First night beginners are so random you can't guess what they are going to do a bit like attackers but with less intent.
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Post by elmar on Apr 29, 2013 12:08:41 GMT
If anyone asks a "malicious" question, I motion them to come and receive the answer personally, i.e. they become the uke for that question. Solves the problem instantly
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Post by jimlukelkc on Apr 29, 2013 12:26:45 GMT
Yes I do that too Elmar ! I confess to joining in sometimes, he does make some interesting noises !
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Post by kensei on Apr 29, 2013 12:57:52 GMT
I tend to have my "favorite" people, normally seniors that I know wont goof around during a demo and will "take" any peck I use and not make a mountain out of it. However, I do know of a few I would never use as they tend to the more "Dramatic".
I like to have fun when I teach however and every once and a while I will grab a drama star to help have a tad bit of fun with.
If anyone asks to see something again I normally ask them to stand in and say the "persective may be better".
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Post by nathanso on Apr 30, 2013 0:09:38 GMT
whilst he is in general a good lad What's his age? (At this point in my life, I'd probably consider anyone under 50 to be a"lad"!) If he's an adult, what we used to call "a little touch" should be OK. If he's younger than mid-teens, I generally think that there should be no contact. We generally demonstrate on the ranking student in the class, but sometimes I'll just grab whoever is closest to save time.
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Post by elmar on Apr 30, 2013 1:42:28 GMT
My brown belts have an honorary Chinese style middle name: Chu Toi So my 4th kyu students look forward to their promotion with a touch of trepidation <evil grin>.
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Post by jimlukelkc on Apr 30, 2013 8:20:04 GMT
Ha! He is in his forties I suppose.. I only tend to use adults unless it is something requiring little contact.
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Post by kensei on Apr 30, 2013 11:48:28 GMT
I have had to modify my thoughts on "contact" with some people. see I dont mind when My 72 year old instructor belts me...he hits like a mac truck but he always has and if you can take a "light touch" from him you can pretty much take a full shot from someone else!
However, I have learned over time that not everyone is as mentally bent as I might be (okay, I am)! I once was demonstrating Gyaku zuki on a guy from one of our other clubs, lightly made contact...and by lightly I mean very lightly and did not hit perfect on the target to make sure that he did not have the chance of getting "winded"...and after class I found out he was gripping about being "touched" even by an instructor.
I did what I always do, went and appologized but the guy started getting out of control, like he could now have authority to "bitch me out" and started to get uppity. I looked at him and suggested he not take my appology as a free pass to act like an arse and the floor was still open if he wanted to "talk" about it more in private.
He did not take me up on the offer and after a quick phone call to his instructor to suggest the guy get tuned up a bit before he came back to the head club I was informed that he does this all the time and has "issues".
A light touch is one thing, hell a thump that does not kill or hurt you is fine in my mind, but you have to watch out for the delicate ones you know...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2013 14:09:53 GMT
I am frequently on the receiving end of a demonstration. I just see it as part of my conditioning. Face your fears and learn to take a strike. Only thing I have ever objected to is a repeated stamp to the foot from an old instructor from a club long, long ago.
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Post by tomobrien on May 1, 2013 1:28:59 GMT
Uki/tori relationship is important! You should never refuse the opportunity to be the uki! You can learn a lot by being the 'fall guy'! By experiencing it first hand you learn the effects of what you are doing. I almost always reverse roles so that we both experience the technique/pain. The old adage - Pain is the greatest teacher but no one wants to go to his class. You have to want to go to that class.
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Post by elmar on May 1, 2013 17:47:50 GMT
. The old adage - Pain is the greatest teacher but no one wants to go to his class. Where did you get this? Can I steal it?
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Post by tomobrien on May 2, 2013 1:21:57 GMT
Be my guest elmar. Like I said, it's an old, but true, adage
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Post by nathanso on May 2, 2013 5:15:06 GMT
. The old adage - Pain is the greatest teacher but no one wants to go to his class. Where did you get this? Can I steal it? Most attribute it to TKD's Choi.
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