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Post by dhodge on May 15, 2013 17:58:38 GMT
I have been watching the OYO Heian DVD from Sensei Simon Oliver. Now it is ripped from his VHS sets and may seem a bit dated but the application and thought put forward in the DVD shows Shotokan application very well. Has anyone else seen this I also have his street Shotokan DVD which is very good as well.
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Post by th0mas on May 15, 2013 18:31:56 GMT
Hi Derek
I have a copy of his Heian OYO DVD, I also went on a course with him about 10 years ago.
For me, at the time, what he was showing was really thought provoking and touched on an area of kata application that I was avidly searching for. I really enjoyed the course, I think we covered Heian Yondan and Gojushiho-sho.
Looking back at it now it does seem quite dated and his oyo interpretation is quite one-dimensional (particularly suited for someone of his size (he is a big bugger). If my memory serves me, and without going back and looking again, there seemed to be a lot less throwing and grappling applications as compared to what we see nowadays in the practical-karate community. I have not trained with him since and I would bet his thoughts have moved on, incorporating a wider range of potential oyo applications.
I believe he spent quite a lot of his early years working the doors etc, he certainly was an associate of SH (an inspirational karate instructor, who now can't be talked about on these forums due to his activities outside of the dojo) and brings a lot of effective practical experience to his instruction.
If you are one of those unfortunate karateka who train in a very traditional shotokan dojo with sensei who still push the JKA-esque kata bunkai stuff then this would be a real eye-opener.
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Post by Allan Shepherd on May 15, 2013 21:49:26 GMT
Hi Tom
Bit of a very broad brush stroke!!
Never thought of myself as "one of those unfortunate karateka who train in a very traditional shotokan dojo with sensei who push the JKA-esque kata bunkai stuff" as you put it, simply because it has never happened to me. I consider myself to be a very FORTUNATE karateka because of the instruction that I have been privy to.
I started with the KUGB/JKA in 1966 and have moved around various dojo's/associations that promote "JKA style Shotokan" such as UKTKF, JKS, JSKA etc culminating on recently returning to the "JKA Kawasoe Group" and have never had the "same kata bunkai stuff" from any of them, there has simply been a variation on a theme so to speak. Even though their roots have stemmed from the same source their individual take on application/implication/oyo etc has always been "their" own individual interpretation.
That my friend has been the REAL eye opener!!
Best Regards Allan
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Post by th0mas on May 16, 2013 5:50:56 GMT
Each to his own Allan.
In my opinion the old bunkai applications trotted out by the JKA are as much an embarrassment, as clearly a false representation of the kata originators aims. I know it is polite to suggest that all kata interpretation has merit...bla...bla..bla.. But personally I think its B*ll*cks.
I applaud anybody who is making improvements to those.
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Post by budopromo on Jul 20, 2014 17:41:02 GMT
Those DVDs are nearly 20 years old. My research and training has moved into a more rewarding and advanced understanding. I am still around teaching if folks want to train with me you are welcome. Application is one thing but training it effectively is still missing from most curriculums as far as I can see.
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Post by th0mas on Aug 3, 2014 15:34:24 GMT
Those DVDs are nearly :)20 years old. My research and training has moved into a more rewarding and advanced understanding. I am still around teaching if folks want to train with me you are welcome. Application is one thing but training it effectively is still missing from most curriculums as far as I can see. Hi Simon Welcome to OSS. I assume it is Simon (we normally put our name in the signature section of your profile...). As for your further research, I am jolly pleased to hear it!..I thoroughly enjoyed the last course I was on and it had a big influence on me and my own personal research. I look forward to training with you again sometime in the future... maybe more than once a decade would be better though.
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