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Post by D.Ram on Nov 7, 2013 4:18:42 GMT
I noticed that I always land up a few inches to the right of where I started, when I'm done with Tekki Shodan. So, following some older conversations on this site, i removed all the rest, and just checked the stances - A) Start with Heisoku Dachi B) Kosa Dachi to right, and then Kiba Dachi C) Kosa Dachi to left, and then Kiba Dachi D) Kosa Dachi to right and then Kiba Dachi E) Back to Heisoku Dachi
So, we could simply cancel out the displacements made by C and D above...which leaves us with a shift to the right which has not been "negated" by other movements... Am I right, or am I missing something?
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Post by Allan Shepherd on Nov 7, 2013 11:38:45 GMT
Hi Deepak
The difference is the width of the left foot from the start position when we perform the first cross over Kosa Dachi. This very very minor distance can be lost when performing the very last part of the returning sequence!
Best Regards Allan
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Post by kensei on Nov 7, 2013 15:06:56 GMT
For YEARS I would stress over ending in the same spot on all my Kata. I would really hate myself in tournaments when I realized I was not on the tape that I started on. Then slowly I began to forget about this and worked on form, functionality and finally I said to myself "If I end up in a 1-2 foot area from the spot I started and had a good Kata...thats good enough for me. Their are far more important things than stopping a Kata EXACTLY on the spot you started.
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Post by Allan Shepherd on Nov 7, 2013 22:30:27 GMT
Hi Deepak
Here lies your problem! Looked at your sequence again.
When performing Tekki Shodan we begin the sequence by standing in Shizentai with the embusen line equal to centre, we announce the kata and move the body to the left to the Yoi position. We then perform the first Kosa Dachi to the right. Our two feet are still left of centre. The kata is continued to the final Kiba Dachi/Morote Zuki/Kiai returning to the Yoi position and then back to Shizentai with the embusen line equal to centre, job done!!
Best Regards Allan
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Post by jimlukelkc on Nov 8, 2013 11:07:43 GMT
The obsession with returning to the exact spot you started from is another example of form over function. It is a relevant training aid to ensure stances are of equal length and performance is standardised. I also believe we should make our solo performance as close to perfect as we can get. This applies to all our practice as, as has been covered elsewhere, if we only train for 60% efficacy and accept we lose between 20-40% efficacy in actual combet, we are going to take a beating! However I do not believe it is a relevant criteria for judging the "worth" of a kata. Rather than obsessing about getting back to the start point we should spend more time drilling the kata with a partner. This will give your kata a sense of realism and intent.
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Post by garage on Nov 9, 2013 16:44:23 GMT
I have always noticed that in Hiean Yondan if you do the move at 45degrees you do not return to the start point, if you do them at 30 degrees you do.
You could could put in half a bunny hope like in chinte to get back to the start? If you watch chinese versions of the katas they do not get back to the beginning. You can always yoi to a mark on the floor as they do in a lot of the videos.
JUst done tekki nidan and found myself a whole stance to the right which after your post is driving me nuts.
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Post by D.Ram on Nov 11, 2013 5:52:43 GMT
Hi Deepak Here lies your problem! Looked at your sequence again. When performing Tekki Shodan we begin the sequence by standing in Shizentai with the embusen line equal to centre, we announce the kata and move the body to the left to the Yoi position. We then perform the first Kosa Dachi to the right. Our two feet are still left of centre. The kata is continued to the final Kiba Dachi/Morote Zuki/Kiai returning to the Yoi position and then back to Shizentai with the embusen line equal to centre, job done!! Best Regards Allan Allan, the move from Shizentai->Yoi at the beginning, and Yoi->Shizentai at the end cancel each other out. Similarly, the kosa-dachi-move to the right and then to the left cancel each other out as well - leaving us with only a right-kosa-dachi which is not addressed. I'm going to work on your first post - after all, as you point out, the difference is one foot-width, which can be corrected while left-stepping! Thanks!
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Post by th0mas on Nov 11, 2013 9:34:34 GMT
You could just slightly widen one of your stances during the sequence and correct the difference... nobody would notice and we wouldn't tell.
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Post by Bob Davis on Nov 11, 2013 10:02:23 GMT
Which is exactly how Kanazawa does it. If you look at his foot position during the last Nami Ashi on Youtube you'll notice that he places his foot one foot width further out in kiba dachi on the return from the kick which gets him back to the correct Yoi position.
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Post by D.Ram on Nov 12, 2013 3:29:07 GMT
Thanks, Tom, for the silence, and thanks, Bob, for the pointing :-D Yup, I've noticed the same too - either you can step-wide during the left Kosa Dachi, or land wide after the last Nami Ashi...some such "adjustment" to get back to starting point!
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