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Post by D.Ram on Apr 2, 2014 9:32:32 GMT
Consider - H3, step 2 - in SKIF, we call the upper-lower block as a kosa-uke. However, JKA seems to call it "uchi uke - gedan uke"! Now, consider H4, step 3 - in SKIF, we call this juji-uke - and lo! JKA calls THIS as kosa-uke!! Kosa uke means cross block, and a kosa-dachi, for example, indeed has crossed legs - so the JKA version looks more consistent. Any thoughts? (Source for JKA names - shotokankaratecsl.com/KATA.html; source for SKIF names - books :-) ) ______________ The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
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Post by Allan Shepherd on Apr 2, 2014 10:46:35 GMT
Hello Deepak
Personally I don't think it is a mix up...it is just different interpretations of the same thing!! A sort of poetic licence so to speak. What is so annoying is when attending different association courses etc and being asked to perform a particular technique or kata and finding out that others are different from you....or is it you are different from others?
I now try to follow JKA (again) but still let other association interpretations creep in!!
Best Regards Allan
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Post by kensei on Apr 2, 2014 17:22:40 GMT
My favorite is the Uchi Uke/Soto Uke debate....when doing a block that starts from outside and travels in....the term is different from one group to another and can make you crazy. I also had a friend from a different style call it Ude Uke only....and they dont really say Uchi or soto at all!
James
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Post by nathanso on Apr 2, 2014 22:03:20 GMT
My favorite is the Uchi Uke/Soto Uke debate....when doing a block that starts from outside and travels in....the term is different from one group to another and can make you crazy. I also had a friend from a different style call it Ude Uke only....and they dont really say Uchi or soto at all! James Hah! In the nearly prehistoric age when I started at Okazaki's dojo, the outside to insight block was called chudan ude uke.
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Post by D.Ram on Apr 4, 2014 5:51:25 GMT
Digressing a bit, in an earlier Shito school I trained in, the Gedan tsuki was a staple. I was surprised to see it missing in Shoto! Admittedly, it has very little utility; however, I found it strange that even in a sanbon kumite, it is jodan-chudan-maegeri instead of a gedan tsuki...any thoughts? ______________ The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
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Post by Allan Shepherd on Apr 4, 2014 8:19:02 GMT
Hi Deepak
Is it not at the end of Hangetsu...be it Gyaku?
Best Regards Allan
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Post by D.Ram on Apr 4, 2014 16:30:01 GMT
Oss Allen, I agree it is, and that's my point - it is a rare occurence in Shoto while in Shito we used it in nearly every class multiple times! ______________ The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
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Post by kensei on Apr 7, 2014 11:51:41 GMT
I think that the Shoto group finds it unmanly to punch a guy in the package....besides nailing him in the pills is illegal in most tournaments! (all of this in jest!)
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Post by Allan Shepherd on Apr 7, 2014 13:48:55 GMT
Far more vunerable area's than the manly bits!
Illegal!! Never stopped some of the top JKA competitors head butting their opponents?
In competition we are all supposed to be competing on a level playing field...that is what the alleged rules are about are they not?
Amongst "Joe Public" it is open season.
Best Regards Allan
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Post by kensei on Apr 9, 2014 12:50:52 GMT
Illegal!! Never stopped some of the top JKA competitors head butting their opponents? In competition we are all supposed to be competing on a level playing field...that is what the alleged rules are about are they not? Amongst "Joe Public" it is open season. Best Regards Allan In my competition days I remember seeing some very unsportsmanlike behavior and the instructors were all giddy over it after it happened. when it was occuring they acted all proper but get a drink in them after the event at a social evening and that was the topic of choice all the time. I remember one case when we saw a senior black belt from Saskachewan head butt a guy (did not look like an accident) then kick him in the yam basket and he was warned by the ring ref. We had a social and at about the half way point the head instructors that came in were retelling the tale like it happened years ago and they were in their glory watching it happen. I was KO'd in a tournament when I locked shins with a guy, both trying to do mae geri, and he nailed me when I fell and my head bounced off the floor in a rather unpleasant way. I was fine with the whole thing, clean fight and all that and the guy that did it did not mean to smash me...my fault for fighting two days after the flu! That whole week one of my seniors and a instructor retold the story to everyone and even if I was present he added "it was great" or " Man that looked fantastic". I was so ticked off because I was really hurt in that tournament and had a concusion that kept me from training for a month. Those instructors that watch tournaments for the "blood sport" of it are the kinds of people that should NOT be in Karate. If an injury occures because of an accident you dont glorify it and if a person does an illegal move you boot them out of the tournament and then ban them from teaching and training for a set time to teach them they can not do this. IF they repeat it....do you really want to associate with this kind of person?
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Post by th0mas on Apr 9, 2014 14:25:36 GMT
I think that the Shoto group finds it unmanly to punch a guy in the package....besides nailing him in the pills is illegal in most tournaments! (all of this in jest!) Unless the chap is doing a hand-stand and you're perched on a chair a gedan punch is really rather ineffective as a gelding technique. Always find that a swift upward slap and grab is much more demonstrative when aiming at a persons magesticals.
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