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Post by garage on Jan 1, 2015 7:31:51 GMT
A lot of clubs train in traditional karate. They claim that that it is founded from the teachings of Funakoshi. Would Funakaoshi go to a club that had sparring in it?
If you read the information he would clearly boycott clubs that had sparring. The sparring that developed was at the end of the 50's and early 60's then it stopped moving forwarded and became a snapshot in time. Which stayed a game of tag.
Look at the Katas that Funkoshi does there are plenty of vids and his higher stances look like a relaxed versions of what we do today.
So Shotokan has become Tradition sport karate and is neither sporty or traditional.
It is the only conclusion you can come to.
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Post by D.Ram on Jan 2, 2015 6:32:54 GMT
Picking off a statement there - Funakoshi's photograph in his biography also shows him in a very high stance. Did Shotokan go deeper during his time, or was the wider stancing done after him?
On another note - kung fu, as well as "new Shotokan" are deep, while Okinawan karate is high-stanced. How did this "early karate" get high stances in the first place, if it was derived from kung fu to begin with?? ______________ More sweat in training, less blood in battle
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Post by garage on Jan 2, 2015 16:55:44 GMT
I think Nakayama did this trying to develop karate along scientific lines when it became university karate.
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Post by D.Ram on Jan 5, 2015 7:59:24 GMT
So in effect, Nakayama took Karate closer to its kung-fu roots, which had deep stances to begin with. How did Okinawan Karate go the shallow stance way? ______________ More sweat in training, less blood in battle
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Post by daveb on Jan 7, 2015 14:35:37 GMT
Northern kungfu styles use deeper longer stances, often as a way of adding load to shorter techniques. The bubishi cautions the reader to beware of those who use long stances as they have powerful hand techniques. Southern kungfu which is more likely to be a larger part of karate's history, is mostly short stances (think wing chun).
Long stances were introduced to shotokan by Funakoshi's son Gigo. The idea was the same as above: it takes more power to take a big step quickly so doing a short step in a fight will be easier.
The problem was that the step of evolving past basic training to combatively relevant technique was never taken. The instructors were sent out round the world to teach mastery of a basic form without much understanding of what the martial art of karate was.
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