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Post by kensei on Aug 3, 2012 12:45:25 GMT
Okay, just thinking about this one the other day and chatting with some friends.
And I wanted to stir the pot a bit here to get some confab going! ;D
when the head of a style or "Org" Dies who should take his place. Now we have a few set ups here.....
Set up one.....the style is lead by a charismatic instructor whoes kid /relatives are part of the group and at a fairly high level. they are not the most senior but they are his family and have his name...should the organization go to the family member or the most senior student?
Set up two.....Head instructor does not have any family in the picture for starters, and they have a technical director that is fantastic, but does not get along with the majority of the other seniors. They are skilled but lack people skills and while he is the most senior he does not have the ability to run a organization with out LOTS of help...or does the next senior ranking instructor take over, or someone is appointed to do so from with in the ranks?
The last one is the head instructor has a Chairman that is in charge of 99% of the organization with the committee but the chairman and committee are part timers that really dont know what the hell they are doing. the other issue is that the next highest level is the chairmans junior...does the chairman take over when the cheif leaves or does the next highest, who is a much better instructor, take over?
and for those thinking I am talkinga bout the JKA or something...I am not! These may be real but not that real!
Once the head of a organization, the key person and the personality behind an organization passes what happens to the leadership of the organization left behind and what should happen...other than the issues with Asai, I think the JKA has found a way to do this properly...but others...not so much and I can see issues in the future!
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Post by malk103 on Aug 3, 2012 13:29:18 GMT
In theory in all cases the job should be advertised and applied for. Each case should be viewed and maybe even voted on. It should be made clear that after the vote that's the end of it.
It gets much more complex when you have committees and ownership but in theory the best qualified and experienced instructor should be the next in line - but not automatically.
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Post by th0mas on Aug 3, 2012 16:34:54 GMT
They should fight to the death to determine who is the leader...
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Post by kensei on Aug 6, 2012 14:39:44 GMT
They should fight to the death to determine who is the leader... LMAO, now that I would pay to see!
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Post by Paul Bedard on Aug 7, 2012 22:49:40 GMT
Nothing easy about a decision like this. In my opinion the most important thing to consider is what is best for the org. to carry on it`s way of promoting karate. To automatically go to the next senior may not be the best choice. I believe that there is no point in taking on a new leader who does`n have many years left themselves. So any senior over the age of 65 I would not recommend. If we look at voting in someone say age 55, then we have a leader for most likely at least 25 years, till age 70. To me this idea would be best for the org, as there would be no big change in leadership for a long time. Another point is that a good instructor does not necessarily make a strong leader for a group of his peers & if we consider not giving the position to those over age 65, his seniors. The position would best best filled by a leader that would be voted in by the majority of the board of directors. However, the present leader if he has made a choice of his successor, should have this choice seriously considered. I`m thinking that in the next few years, there are a few orgs that will be going through this change. I would like to think that they are preparing for this, rather than have to deal with it after the present leader passes on. I`m sure that what would be the most respectful thing to do would be to honour the present leader, by making a choice that would give the best chance of a long term leader & limit the chance of the org. having to go through this decision again too soon. There again, the next senior most likely is not the best choice.. Osu
Paul B
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Post by fujicolt on Aug 7, 2012 23:00:50 GMT
Dont be surprised if Democracy and clear forward thinking is notably absent at such times - sit back and watch the power struggles and divisions - I cannot think of one single well handled transition, be it international, National or even regional - so very very sad for Karate! I would LOVE to be pronion wrong but honestly know of no smooth sensible transitions! Sad but true!
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Post by tomobrien on Aug 8, 2012 1:43:54 GMT
I'm glad we don't worry about politics. We just train, sweat & bleed. Like tonight - we were doing round-robin & my 3rd partner said hey your arm is bleeding. I said OK thanks, Then my 4th partner said hey your chin is bleeding & I said OK thanks. Thanks, Tom
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Post by elmar on Aug 8, 2012 12:23:50 GMT
... I cannot think of one single well handled transition, be it international, National or even regional - so very very sad for Karate! I would LOVE to be pronion wrong but honestly know of no smooth sensible transitions I think I can boast on ISOK, then. One of the founders, Bernie Weiss, died, and the organization was peacefully devolved through a series of people (including myself), and is now headed by Vince Morris. Granted, it is small enough and specialized enough, but since it is designed to be a service org rather than a pyramid org (i.e. much flatter structure in which admin types and ranking types are separate things), these kinds of power struggles simply do not occur.
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Post by Bob Davis on Aug 8, 2012 13:30:38 GMT
...and I think that's the point, you need to divorce the idea that because someone is the highest ranking karate-ka that somehow qualifies them to run an organisation.
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Post by fujicolt on Aug 8, 2012 21:45:58 GMT
... I cannot think of one single well handled transition, be it international, National or even regional - so very very sad for Karate! I would LOVE to be pronion wrong but honestly know of no smooth sensible transitions I think I can boast on ISOK, then. One of the founders, Bernie Weiss, died, and the organization was peacefully devolved through a series of people (including myself), and is now headed by Vince Morris. Granted, it is small enough and specialized enough, but since it is designed to be a service org rather than a pyramid org (i.e. much flatter structure in which admin types and ranking types are separate things), these kinds of power struggles simply do not occur. Vince stepped in then - thats interesting. How did that come about! Expect changes - huge ones and no doubt money will become along (and I do not mean that negatively) but I know Vince will give you good stuff but never for free HAHA! Seriously he knows his stuff but expect changes and fees!
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Post by sagan on Aug 10, 2012 17:58:36 GMT
You have to let go of the idea that the most senior person is the most qualified to run the organization. Organizations are no different then any business. You pick the person who will be the best at achieving the goals of that organization. When Nishiyama passed away Jorgensen was picked to head the ITKF. He is not the most senior in the ITKF, nor is he the one who has trained with Nishiyama the longest but he had been involved as an ITKF board member for longer then most of us have been training, he was trusted by Nishiyama, and he has said time and time again that his mandate is not to stray from Nishiyama's goal of staying true to the Budo principles in karate training and tournaments. In short he was chosen because he was deemed to be the best person for the job, not for charisma, best techniques, tournament wins, ranking and all that other crap that karate seems to think is important (really people it's not!!) in operating an organization.
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