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Post by Bob Davis on Aug 17, 2012 15:49:30 GMT
I know this clip is ju-jitsu related but it exactly parallels the issues seen in many (if not most) karate dojos and to my mind states in a common sense way what we typically see and how we got there. It's 22 minutes long and there's a little (but not much) marketing but I think it's worth sitting through. Enjoy www.youtube.com/watch?v=e864iZ4sB8Q&feature=related
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Post by jimlukelkc on Aug 20, 2012 10:11:28 GMT
BJJ suffers from the same over-hype that MMA does. It promises things it cant deliver. We have had a couple of MMA fighters coming to the dojo to help with ground work and they have actually enjoyed the self-defence aspect that we teach. Almost like it has been a revelation for them. Sport is great and I for one do not denigrate it in any way but a distinction has to be made and a choice of what your focus is. If it is pragmatic self-protection , then you need to train mostly for that.
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Post by kensei on Aug 20, 2012 12:19:33 GMT
I agree Jim, the difference being that most MMA fighters tend to focus on wrestling, basic striking and submissions.
Doing a bit of BJJ research on my own and they do have a point in training the ground in self defense, but the isseu that I have with it is they think they are perfect and they are years ahead of us...what if its not just you against me...but you against me...and my friends?
Had a student of BJJ come and ask me what I would do if I was mounted, I let him mount me and he was damn hard to get away from...but then I told him I had a secret weapon!
He was currious and asked what, So I said....my friends and one of my senior students pretended to boot him in the face while he mounted me, I took advantage and shook him off and we proceeded to "mime beat him up" he got the point! BJJ is great one on one and probably one of the toughest things to get out of was him sitting on my chest/torso..but its only good one on one!...oh, and even he laughed at my trick!
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Post by jimlukelkc on Aug 20, 2012 12:35:26 GMT
The lads we had train with us concentrated on just that, bridging, shrimping etc. Great stuff and never know when it will come in handy but... its a sport. managing the distance , mai-ai. thats the ticket.!
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Post by kensei on Aug 20, 2012 18:08:29 GMT
I think its great to know how to get out of bad spots, but you first have to realize it is a bad spot. I once saw a 18 year old kid pull guard in a outside fight with three on one odds...thinking he was "pulling them into his world" only to get beat down badly!
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Post by tomobrien on Aug 21, 2012 3:34:59 GMT
You allowed yourself to be mounted. Gaining the mount can be difficult, in & of itself. Big difference. We all know we don't wanna be on the ground out on the street.
Thanks, Tom
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Post by kensei on Aug 21, 2012 11:50:09 GMT
I did allow myself to be mounted...put yourself in the worst possition and see if you can get out. Like a corner of a room with a knife/broken bottle holding attacker or on the ground with some guy on your chest...which by the way makes it very hard to breath!
I know its a long shot that I will slip and fall and some guy will take me down and sit on me...but the truth is alot of younger guys are taking this stuff and using it in fights. If you dont adapt to the current fighting trends then you may end up in trouble. Now having said that with my judo back ground I am fairly sure I have a better than average chance of being the guy on top and not on the bottom.
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Post by Bob Davis on Aug 21, 2012 11:59:30 GMT
Funny clip, but how many actually use this sort of stress in their self defence training (this is still more "Street" than most of the serious stuff you see). www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-kT2qE9d7Y
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