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Jan 10, 2013 15:57:47 GMT
Post by kensei on Jan 10, 2013 15:57:47 GMT
Wanna tick off a instructor that is closed minded....when they correct your Kata ask them why! I do my Jutte slightly differently because I like it the way I do it, and the other night this instructor came by and tried to "correct" my form....I was open to the idea, did not like it and did not implament the change. The instructor said "No, thats wrong...do it this way" I said "why?" and threw them for a loop that I am not sure they can come back from ! ;D ;D ;D
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Jan 11, 2013 14:00:44 GMT
Post by malk103 on Jan 11, 2013 14:00:44 GMT
We try to explain any slight variations in Kata from different styles, we generally stick with the JKA. A few times you come across slight changes so we teach the JKA one but point out the other (if we know them). You will always get someone come back the following week saying they saw the Kata online and they did it differently..... it was normally me..... Also when there are slight differences you can also teach potential applications that match. The number of senior Black Belts that have gone off to start a new organization or style then it should be no surprise when someone else does the same or just changes something to suit them. My Sensei prefers some applications over others due to height challenges... I am of the firm belief also that nobody should ever stop asking why or learning, a lot of problems and arguments seem to start when someone stands up and says "it should be done that way" or "I was taught xyz so you are wrong" Nobody should ever feel they are high enough to dictate how anyone's Karate "should" be done - in my opinion anyway.... ;D
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Jan 11, 2013 19:12:47 GMT
Post by elmar on Jan 11, 2013 19:12:47 GMT
LOL - "why?" That is the single most dangerous question in the world, now isn't it? Any societal structure that depends on hierarchy and thus has to maintain an imbalance of power cannot afford to allow this question. In most Japanese arts, only the "iemoto" (or other headmaster title) is permitted to innovate. The most senior practitioners are allowed to suggest and experiment, but must teach the party line - they may not "change" canon.
To deal with such questions, I answer that the style I teach does it this way, but that there are many "idioms" of movement, and others have variations. If you want to learn my way, excellent. If not, as long as you don't disrupt the learning of others, then no problem. So I have Kyokushin-offshoot folks training with me (with their double circle swinging knifehand blocks) and there is no friction.
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Jan 12, 2013 6:08:31 GMT
Post by Paul Bedard on Jan 12, 2013 6:08:31 GMT
This is funny. We all have different body styles & can`t all be carbon copies of each other. When we were JKA almost every instructor I ever trained with, wether from Japan or were-ever always had a slight different way of doing things, this almost always showed itself in kata. It might have been their body style or their feeling, it does`nt matter. Also I`l guarantee that there is a difference between most seniors in any org.,that`s the way humans are. What master Yaguchi really pushes us in is when we` make technique`, understand `use technique`. The slightest change could very well change the application. Elmar I too have has Kyukushinkai guests & am familliar with the double circling shuto & find it interesting when we compare what we each call Kokutsu Dachi, theirs is like half cat stance, half back stance.
Osu
Paul B
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Jan 12, 2013 9:54:00 GMT
Post by dek1 on Jan 12, 2013 9:54:00 GMT
Elmer could you please expand in another topic "double circle swinging knife hand block"
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Jan 12, 2013 21:31:31 GMT
Post by elmar on Jan 12, 2013 21:31:31 GMT
Elmer could you please expand in another topic "double circle swinging knife hand block" see
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Jan 12, 2013 22:42:45 GMT
Post by nathanso on Jan 12, 2013 22:42:45 GMT
Actually, something similar was commonly seen in shotokan in the old days back when I (and you, Elmar ;D ) started;I remember that some of the BBs in my dojo would do this, particularly in H1 and H2, while us new students were being taught the crossed windup. You can see it in some of the old B& W JKA kata videos, such this one of H2, where he intersperses the circular and crossed windups.
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Jan 13, 2013 16:23:23 GMT
Post by dek1 on Jan 13, 2013 16:23:23 GMT
Thanks for posting it
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Jan 14, 2013 1:25:45 GMT
Post by tomobrien on Jan 14, 2013 1:25:45 GMT
We are all the same. We are all unique.
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Jan 14, 2013 10:18:30 GMT
Post by Allan Shepherd on Jan 14, 2013 10:18:30 GMT
Hi Tom Not wanting to disappoint anyone but not at the same time to think I am reading between the lines but is your last post a Oxymoron? God forbid we are all the same!! Best Regards Allan
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Jan 14, 2013 10:40:55 GMT
Post by jimlukelkc on Jan 14, 2013 10:40:55 GMT
Excerpt from Monty Pythons the life of Brian . Brian addresses the multitude who have followed him home, " You're all individuals! " To which the crowd all chorus " Yes we are all individuals! " small voice at the back says "I'M not! "
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Jan 18, 2013 9:52:31 GMT
Post by th0mas on Jan 18, 2013 9:52:31 GMT
"he's not the messiah... he's a very naughty boy.."
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Jan 19, 2013 0:06:36 GMT
Post by bassaiguy on Jan 19, 2013 0:06:36 GMT
That swinging shuto was the way I was taught in Moo Duk Kwan way back in the early 80s. I switched to Shotokan in '94 it was the standard crossed arm cover shuto uke. When I do the MDK Pyongs I do it the old way, when I do Heians I do it the JKA way. I teach applications to both and I think knowing many variations helps with my applications.
That said, I'm way too cowardly to make changes on my own "just cause I like how it feels or looks".
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