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Post by fujicolt on Oct 23, 2010 23:47:33 GMT
Be honest and get yourself prepared and view the clip below with the sound turned off. See if you: 1. Can name them all? 2. Can honestly say that you practice them all regularly enough to know how to be able to use them instinctively (as in the way you would use Koshi when throwing a mae geri in)? And please remember this is only hand techniques - the full list is really large. Note: I am not trying to catch anyone out here (how could I - I am not there with you I am genuinely interested in your feedback as to what is - or is not - being studied and i also thought it may be a useful little introspective process for you to assess what you are - or are not studying. Enjoy! www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsbiOdMKNlc
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Post by fujicolt on Oct 28, 2010 20:03:20 GMT
Oh Dear - did i cause upset with the wording or content of this thread opener? If so I assure you all that was not my intent and apologise.
Tis just that i have never - on this site - seen 23 visits and no responses when a response was specifically requested.
I was - and am - merely trying to investigate if the complete arsenal of Shotokan techniques etc are (or are not) being widely taught?
as i have said before there are many karateka who are past their competition days and may also be no longer interested in Grades - if all we have for them is a prearranged grading syllabus and competition Kumite - why should they stay?
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Post by Bob Davis on Oct 28, 2010 21:35:03 GMT
Sorry Steve, not ignoring the post, have watched the clip a few times but have been down with the lurgy and haven't felt like sitting in front of the screen, will get back to you tomorrow, (once I've catalogued what we do in regular training and what we don't)
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Post by Bob Davis on Oct 28, 2010 22:32:43 GMT
OK, couldn't leave it (I've been sitting on my "thinking chair" making notes and now I've got the use of my legs back here they are We pretty much follow the SKI path in our training/syllabus and so use Kanazawa's Kihon Ippon and Jiyu Ippon sets as a regular part of our training. These sets get trained at least one session most weeks and, whilst still only a subset of the complete arsenal, do introduce a number of non gyaku zuki counters into training. I've broken down at what stage they get introduced below. These are not the full sets (or the only time we use these techniques), just the new hand techniques that get introduced in these drills. 7th Kyu: Jodan Shuto Uchi 6th Kyu: Yoko Enpi Uchi 5th Kyu: Ushiro Mawashi Enpi Jodan Shuto Juji Uchi Tate Yonhon Nukite Kizami Zuki 4th Kyu: Tate Enpi Uchi Ushiro Mawakashi Enpi (alternative) Mae Enpi Uchi Jodan Haito Uchi Soete Yoko Enpi Uchi 3rd-2nd Kyu: Ura Zuki Tate Zuki Tate Shuto Uchi 1st Kyu: Teisho Uchi Uraken Uchi Yoko Shuto Uchi There are other techniques (kicks, sweeps, throws and drops) included in these sets, these are just the strikes as that's the topic of conversation. As with all these drills, they are only any good if practiced properly, with intent and correct distancing but by the time you get to be a Shodan candidate you should be reasonably fluent in all the above. The problem is that a lot of people now learn these in much the same way as they do everything else, by rote as part of a set sequence, (for their grading), and never make the move to applying them in varying circumstances Many's the time after I've sat out and watched training (Yes, I am sad enough if I'm not well enough to train to still go along and watch ) that I've had to call the black belts over and give them a "talking to" about just going through the motions (Yes, I am also the miserable b*stard who will give everbody a hard time that way, some body has to (fortunately I don't get to watch ME training ))
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Post by genkaimade on Oct 29, 2010 21:37:50 GMT
Sorry for such a late response - I totally forgot to reply to the thread...
I would say that as a 3rd kyu in my dojo, I've practised maybe 70% - 80% of the techniques in the video outside of kata (in which case maybe add another 5% onto that). I will admit though, that I wouldn't be confident using any open hand techniques in a "real life situation", and am more than likely to revert to some kind of gyaku-zuki - oi-zuki combination in the said situation...
Alex
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Post by fujicolt on Oct 30, 2010 13:33:16 GMT
Cheers lads Bob - Remember I am one whom has 'watched' you training So send nice stuff to me regularly or i'll tell lies about yer! Alex when you say you 'have practiced' - how often and how? again just curious
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Post by genkaimade on Oct 30, 2010 14:46:59 GMT
Cheers lads Bob - Remember I am one whom has 'watched' you training So send nice stuff to me regularly or i'll tell lies about yer! Alex when you say you 'have practiced' - how often and how? again just curious Well, in every senior (3rd kyu and above, although I was allowed into a fair few before getting to 3rd kyu) class that I've been in, I'd say that maybe 70% of our kihon is stuff that I'm already comfortable with by itself, put into fairly challenging combinations. The other 30% is the 'other stuff' as such. In the 10th kyu to 4th kyu class, it wasn't as linear as that though. A couple (one or two, myself included) of us occasionally did some of the 'more different' techniques. I will, however, say that that a lot of people in my organisation's kihon is absolutely awful, and for me this is absolute proof that kihon is the foundation upon which your karate is built. Sometimes, 100s of CORRECT repetitions up and down the dojo really are what people need; I for one, wish that I had done more of that kind of training. Alex
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