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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 15:58:32 GMT
Are their any shotokan clubs who have abandoned the structured gohon, kihon ippon and jyu ippon kumite practices in in heir grading syllabus in favour of going straight into free style continuous sparring or the kata based sparring advocated by Iain Abernthy?
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Post by elmar on Jan 28, 2013 16:25:58 GMT
Well, I don't do gohon. I do sanbon and ippon, and ippon jiu-kumite, and also HAPV "ippon" kumite. We don't do tournament style jiu-kumite.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 19:24:42 GMT
Hi Elmar, if you we're grading people do you ask gor just one technique or for a demo of two, thre or four? I know that those who follow SKIF do sets. Clubs I have trained with usually just ask for one.
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Post by garage on Jan 28, 2013 19:52:38 GMT
Shotokan uses a few techniques practiced many times so they are automatic. Wado ryu has these complicated routines that I never feel able to practice enough to make them automatic. Thanks to the wado guys that let me train with them for a few years to discover this.
I could do them well enough to pass a grading but never felt that they were usable.
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Post by malk103 on Jan 28, 2013 21:30:33 GMT
For the sake of grading we still include 5 step, 3 step, 1 step, an advanced set of 1 step and then semi free style. In addition we throw in all sorts of 2-3 step routines for speed and reaction or self defence. If the students are just moving up the Kyu grades then they need to learn the first lot of Kumite and forgetting the rest shortly after leaving the Dojo, if they are serious then they will enjoy and hopefully get better by engaging with all of it.
You always seem to get students who think part of the 3 K's is a waste of time but never engage in it enough to get any use from it.
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Post by elmar on Jan 29, 2013 12:25:56 GMT
Hi Elmar, if you we're grading people do you ask gor just one technique or for a demo of two, thre or four? I know that those who follow SKIF do sets. Clubs I have trained with usually just ask for one. I presume you mean the counter to the formal attack? On gradings, I view the kumite section as kata: a formal demonstration of principles, not as a competition. IOW, the entire kumite section is essentially "scripted". At each rank I am looking for particular understandings as demonstrated by what the individual does in body shifting, positioning, distancing, timing, etc. At lower ranks, you get one shot at each attack (per side) - very much the kendo mentality. At higher ranks, the kumite is more like the formal attack is 5 times repeated, and the defender has to demonstrate 5 different counters. HAPV work is not part of the formal testing; only of the class itself. Is this what you meant?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2013 17:18:01 GMT
Elmar, yes thats what I meant. At higher grades are the five variations of defence what you tell them to do or do you expect them to come up with their own thing that suits them?
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Post by elmar on Jan 30, 2013 17:36:31 GMT
Elmar, yes thats what I meant. At higher grades are the five variations of defence what you tell them to do or do you expect them to come up with their own thing that suits them? By then, I shouldn't have to tell them any such thing
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Post by kyshotokankaratedo on Feb 5, 2013 20:09:05 GMT
I like the formal partner three and one step sparring. I think these are helpful in getting less aggressive and more apprehensive people into sparring. We use a progressive system starting with basic three step sparring at 9th kyu. Oi-tsuki (chudan and jodan) and chudan mae geri for attacks. Simple soko uke, age uke , gedan barai to defend. At 7th kyu we move to one step using oi tsuki, mae geri, kekomi geri, and ushiro geri. We also start free sparring with light contact at 9th kyu.
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