I just found out that Sensei Scott Langley had left the Jks group after recieving a 22 month suspension for the content of his new book. Whilst I was still a member of the jks I heard rumblings that senior Jks in Japan were not happy with his book but the revelations since cause me to question things. If Sensei Langley was not an instructor graduate what course was he on for those years? Also he has written in many publications of his time training and promoting the jks yet now we are to believe he has been telling lies. Having trained with Sensei Langley he has great movement and power and his teaching skills will be a great asset the WTKO group
I only know that they took "offence" to him stating in a book that he was on the instructor course and graduated, my understanding is that he has done this before and they did not say a thing. Truth is that he was one of their biggest assest in the UK from what I have seen (I did say one of) and they lost him because some higher ups got their nose out of joint. If he was not a graduate then they should have "TOLD HIM" he was not, if he printed the book regardless then an explanation is in order. The rumor I was told is that they held a big meeting about the whole issue and he was told SPECIFICALLY not to attend. So they debated his future in the org with out him and then gave him a Harsh suspension. He left for good reason and I for one would not have stuck around.
Good for him, stand up for yourself and demand that the work you put in is recognized period, If they say no move along.
Kensei I knew that they had said he wasnt a graduate but in his dojo which all senior jks karateka have taught in the certificate is there on the wall for all to see. I was akso told he was on the european course not the instructors course. Whilst the JKS groups in the UK were seperate regional entities they all work very close together and Sensei Langley was a big part of that and your right I think he will be a loss to them
Post by Allan Shepherd on Feb 14, 2014 17:21:33 GMT
I wish Scott all the very best with his association with the WTKO and Sensei's Mullins and Amos. I have good memories of training with Scott (and Inada) at John Cheetham's Altrincham dojo April 2002 and on a number of occassion's with Scott (and Tor) at the Tai No Sen dojo in Pemberton Wigan. The technical seminar in Crawley during October 2004 was superb.
Scot either did or did not do the Instructors Course in Japan, all indications are that he did do the course.
In an Alan Campbell interview with TSW he said that Scott had returned from Japan after completing the instructors course in 2002....he was like an open book, nothing to hide. He also said that he respected him for what he did in Japan and graduating from the Instructor Course. The forward in the same interview noted its hard to write about Scott Langley without mentioning that he has completed the famous JKS Instructor Course in Japan. Since he has written quite extensively about his time at the Honbu Dojo (and is currently writing a book about his experiences), I thought it would be interesting to find out what his life has been like since graduating and returning to Europe.
The Wikipedia JKA Kenshusei training programme notes for JKS Graduates...In addition, the list does not include graduate instructors from the instructor programmes of splinter groups such as JKS and KWF, examples being Norio Kawasaki (KWF-Japan) Masamichi Otsuka (KWF-Japan) Yutaka Kioke (JKS-Japan) Yasuhisa Inada (JKS-Japan) Scott Langley (JKS-Ireland) Kyle Kamal Helou (JKS-Lebanon) Takeo Matsui (JKS-Japan) and Takuya Makita (JKS-Japan).
Very much like Andre Bertel with the JKA, Scott has a lot of experience to take with him to WTKO. With that in mind it will be a loss for JKS and a gain for WTKO.
Does anyone know where his book can be bought from?
well said Bob, I use my ipad sometimes for reading kindle books. Best thing about the kindle is the amount of space I save not cluttering up the shelves with karate books and other stuff and some books are definatly cheaper on the kindle. Must admit though, when it comes to looking at stuff with pictures, eg kata's then hard print is best.
looks like the JKS is having the same issues the JKA had a bunch of years back when groups and individuals split. I think its actually a good thing, more options for training with great instructors and the more we hold big groups accountable the more we have at the end of the day of what is important...respect!
Post by Allan Shepherd on Feb 20, 2014 10:14:40 GMT
Received the book early yesterday morning and just this minute finished it, makes very interesting reading. Well I for one never doubted as per my last post. It is all there in print and the only critisism I can see is his brutal honesty concerning events and ordeals that he as a "Foreigner" experienced AND endured. It would appear that it was his brutal honesty as a Kenshusei that made the JKS no longer require his services and NOT the unfounded truth that he had not completed the JKS Instructor Training Programme. For that alone he should be admired. Simply building JKS GB and Ireland was obviously not enough!!
Yes other Foreign and Japanese Karateka alike have endured and completed the course but how many have been so honest to both themselves and their "audience" in both written and verbal word?
Scott alone will have to live with his decision to tell it "warts and all" but I am sure he will be sucessful with whatever path he chooses to develop his Karate and his own personal life. I wish him, Tor and their daughter Doireann all the very best for the future.
Yes the book was a good read. I admire anyone who can cope with that sort of hard core training, I certainly would not and could not. Would love to go to Japan to train for the experience but preferably in the over 50 and a bit knackered class.
Have to admit I thought a couple of things were missing from the book. No mention of Asai sensei! I thought he was JKS, maybe I am mistaken will have to explore that one. What of the JKA / JKS relationship during this time?
I haven't seen any mention of suspension on JKS GB / Ireland website.
Post by Allan Shepherd on Feb 20, 2014 22:54:02 GMT
What you have to remember is Scott changed some names and identifying details to protect the privacy of individuals.
Sensei Asai was both JKS and IJKA.
Maybe their "now" policy is not to mention it but hope that given time it will fade into the annuls of history!! What will NOT be lost is the fact that Scott was responsible for the inception of JKS GB and Ireland which was followed by JKS Scotland. That can never be taken from him.
Allan as an ex-jks student I must agree with you. Sensei Langley was a catalyst for what is now the largest shotokan group in Scotland joining the JKS and when you see the English and Irish set up he has left a much larger group than hstarted with. Reading his book I am amazed at how honest it is. Knowing very little about the course its clear he endured daily hell to improve himself.
I have given the two people who posted the personal attacks on Andre Burtel enough time to apologize and they have not. I have deleted their posts. The original posting was a "tattle tale" against HDKI instructor Scott Langley, this is all hersay and would have been dealt with on its own, but a second member jumped on this and said it was Andre and he was being shady, this is NOT true and Andre was not the person posting, the IP was in England not Japan.
To be clear, personal attacks, even on this really slow site, wont be left to stand. Mr. Bertal has not and did not place any personal attacks against Scott Langley and the posts suggesting this have been deleted.
The names change but the same petty squabbles go on. I do know what Karate is about but the leaders of the various organisations set a very poor example. In the last 50 years has any of this changed my life? No just filled me with disappointment after leaving the playground at kindergarden I was hoping to play with some grown ups.