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Post by kensei on Jan 28, 2015 14:02:55 GMT
I have been busy this past few weeks with Karate business and work stuff, sorry for being AWOL.
One of the things I am reviewing research on is use of enhanced safety equipment in Karate tournaments and the information based on studies (15 LONG studies I have been running through) has suggested some very interesting, if not common sense things.
However, one of the sticking points that I ran into was the difference between "Traditional" Karate and "Sport" Karate. some say that their is NONE, while others....mostly seniors in Karate...have a very different idea on this fact.
If you were asked what the difference is....what would your answer be! and please go long if you like, Im very used to reading through 100 pages of Data right now....eyes bleeding with every page turn!
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Post by Bob Davis on Jan 28, 2015 15:39:47 GMT
Actually I'd go short on this.
Sport karate is ANY karate that can be used in a competitive arena and be scored for winners and losers, the only difference really is under what rules you run (just my opinion obviously).
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Post by garage on Jan 28, 2015 18:23:47 GMT
Kensi I am wiping away the tears that you haven't read my post on traditional sport karate, there is no traditional karate it is all sports starting in the 50's 60's and has failed to move on.
Mr Burton made a useful post about the long stances making more powerful hand techniques.
Probably explains why you need to push people away so you can get the distance to really hit them and finish them. So you end up making up for the lack of close up work as it doesn't exist is the sport which is clearly what traditional karate is, at least in Shotokan. ( wado, tae kwon do, kyokoshin etc)
As for the padding you can never go for it you still have to hold back and have rules unless hospital is your thing.
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Post by kensei on Jan 29, 2015 13:47:58 GMT
Bert,
don't know what its like over were you live, but here their is a big difference between sport and traditional sport Karate. Most people live rather myopically, as did I till I started doing the research on sport vs Traditional. Yes, you have a large sport component to traditional Karate, as Bob pointed out any competition with a winner and loser is a sport, however the term "Sport Karate" is not the Shobu Ippon guys but the guys that wrap themselves in foam rubber (sounds a lot creeper than it was intended to) and then score points over a three to five minute round. Also, by dipping themselves in foam they think they can strike more and hit harder, which is NOT true, injury counts and nature research proved that to me.
To answer my own question with an answer...while still looking for input....my definition of Traditional Karate is the practice of Shobu Ippon rules or similar rules with the "Little to no contact" rule in place and enforced. Little to no padding is needed and should be enforced as well. By definition the "Sport" Karate guys are those that use Shin, Instep, body, Head, Hand and mouth guards/protection and use much more lenient impact rules as well as counting points over a set time with a match being awarded for KO's and TKO's. In Canada we have two different sets of rules that seem to be enforced and one group here in Manitoba that seems to float between the two rule sets and has rules that the practitioners wear full body "armor".
I am not saying either is better or worse, I just know which I prefer for me and my students.
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Post by garage on Jan 29, 2015 17:00:23 GMT
We have the foam guys here too. There is American Kick Boxing, which has lovly bright uniforms, and various frms called kick boxing. I go and use some of their equipment and they seem very happy doing what they are doing. I love there brightly coloured uniforms.
Sport is a form of entertainment and you are performing to a crowd, I have realised this training with elite athletes it is not enough to be good you have to put on a show which effects if you are picked for the team.
I wanted to learn a form of defense, which is why I didn't do boxing or Judo as they are both sports. With foam pad I can't feel what I am hitting and it lets you techniques become sloppy as you are just in the general area. If you put a technique on the button down they go, in full contact with rules I couldn't believe how much I could take as you never hit anything important.
I guess kick boxing is more colourful and fun and I am not, so I guess that why I train on my own as I am not fun. What is life about if it is not fun??
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