Have never thought much of the TaeKwonDo jumpyspinning stuff But....
when it works it seems to really work - However I just can't see me, Dod Watt, Paul Bedard, Kensei or Bob Davis pulling it off without the use of capables and a darn good special effects team HAHAHAHA!
Once upon a time ago, there was French Canadian living in B.C., that could jump like his namesake ( frog ), but alas now he can barely hop. That is the trouble with some of theses fancy moves, the general population can`t do them. IMHO karate-do should consist of moves that 70% of students should be able to perform to some level in a matter of minutes. Not that flying, spinning moves shouldn`t be done by those who can, but for most of us they are simply not practical. My goodness, I sometimes have difficulty doing the nidan geri at the end of Kanku dai. However, I pulled it off for my examination last december. Osu Paul B
Believe it or not i could do all that stuff at one time but know that now it would look like a Gi filled with large bags of tripe and cement that had been thrown across a room (not very high and not very far) by a the use of a rather large medieval slingshot!
Oh the pain of a sadly missed, but even more sadly remembered (High resolution and clear) youth and the ache of joints now paying the price of that misspent time
I remember doing it on a course with Kato Sensei and afterward thinking 'where am i ever gonna use that?'
so maybe, just maybe, an understanding of reality about Karate and real world applications had already kicked in - thank goodness!
think of the lost hours - never to be recovered - practicing something that is - well - almost 100% impractical.
I'm glad you didn't include me in that list of 'Dod Watt, Paul Bedard, Kensei or Bob Davis'. When I turned 40 I took TKD for 6 yrs. I can still do that kick but not as 'jumpy' as I used to. In kumite tonight I was able to hit my, much taller than me, son-in-law in the face with mawashi geri No jumping or spinning though. Just glad to be in the game ;D
I recall two such attempts that did not turn out so well, one was a jump "Wheel" kick or hellecopter kick that blew out a pair of my jeans...mom banned the kick after that. And the other was a jump spin round kick to my instructor....who was not were I thought he would be when the kick ended and he "feild goal" Kicked me in reply...said "that is what fancy gets you"
However, I still can do a spinning jump inside cresent kick to show off for the kids. lots of fun, useless as hell but lots of fun!
That particular kick, well if I did do it I am sure I would get violently ill from all the spinning...Looks cool but maybe 5% of the fighters I know of could pull it off!
I remeber long ago in the national all styles - Terry oneil jumped right across the area with Mae Tobi Geri. the ref didn't score it on the grounds that his kick hit the opponents arm not his body. then photos appeared in the mags with TO's foot bang on target in the lads stomach!
i used to finish a breaking demo with a Yoko Tobi Geri but as you dont get many samurai on horseback in england i have never had to use it otherwise HAHAHA!
LMAO, I have heard that Yoko Tobi Geri was for Samurai on horse back as well rubbish....Show me a Japanese that can jump kick high enough to Hit a samurai on horse back and I will call him Kareme Abdul Tabata!
i can also remember visiting a dojo once many years ago and the instructor said all karateka had to learn to move with out making any noise at all so that you could creep up on castle guards and kill them without the residents of the castle hearing you on the corridors!
egh! any women i have made love to breaqthe heavily and loudly enough to be heard 100 yards away - i thought twas cvos i am good at it but it turned out to be severe asthma attacks brought on by boredom
Need to erase that image & move on I got hit right in the mouth with jodan, yoko geri last night Wasn't even jumpy or spinny but I got the big, fat lip to prove it Can't eat spicy foods for several days We are training for the regional AAU championships on 3/20
LMAO, you know what I mean...or maybe you dont....but if you ever spar with someone and they land the perfect technique and it could not have been done any better, it is a thing of beauty.
I can recal getting my nose and cheek bone broken one time sparring with a instructor after class. The kick was so perfect, and I was caught so off guard, it was a thing of beauty, I was hurt...but i was also running back through my mind the whole thing and to this day I am just in awe of the whole thing...I also got KO'd one time with a front kick to the sturnum...a thing of beauty man.
Sick...yes, but that does not take away from its technical perfection and for that...I can appreciate it!
If you are referring to getting caught by perfectly timed , precisely delivered techniques you obviously have missed out on Dojo Sparring sessions with Steve Cattle (RIP) or Dave Hazard. you just CANNOT avoid getting caught again and again and again (but with perfect control) until it just becomes normal - but wow do you learn - amazing experiences that i am grateful to have endured and enjoyed many times!
and yes, that level of skill, delivered on demand is truly a thing of beauty both to watch and to experience
Speacking of technique and perfect timing ext. I was working with my instructor and some 1st kyu students last night. Had a blast. but he wanted to demo a few things on me....he is 70 years old and comes off as a tiny guy that looks like of frail...he was doing the Hammer fist strike in Heian Shodan and the application just before that to get out of a wrist grab.
I grabbed his arm and held on, being 30 years his junior I thought "AH, nothing to it he wont.....>"BLAM he nails me on the shoulder and my whole body shuddered. Even at his age he can go from a rather frail looking older man to a peice of steel and hammer you with a solid and controlled strike!
Truely awsome how some people have that "IT" even at an advanced age, I would guess that Enoeida and a few others had that as well.....Sad I could not have trained with them whe they were around.
I'm glad that I joined a forum where all the members don't take themselves that seriously.
Humor jumps national barriers.
So, here's a related story - Chai Sirisute (muay thay badass) were just chatting one day during the Bruce Lee heyday (must have been '79 or '80) and the conversation drifted over to Bruce Lee.
Chai stood up and said - nunchaku? I'll show you noonchuks - he got up and placed what must have been 1/2 inch ply panel up against a fence about 15 feet away. Got his 'chuks and stood in a casual natural stance about 15 feet from the panel with the 'chuks draped around his neck.
Then he sprung forward like coiled steel (think Mikami lunge punch); grabbed one handle and let fly with the other handle which shot like a rifle shot straight into and through the plywood! A nice clean hole.
Then Chai sat down and declared - that's how to use nunchaku.
But then, I have seen him draw a single-action army model -1911 Colt .45 and rack the slide to chamber a round from the draw with one hand!
1980's I was in my basement in Winnipeg with not so well known friend of mine....who will remain nameless...and we had just put together three pairs of Nunchucks to play with....keep in mind they are illegal here in Winnipeg and you are about to find out why!
We were sitting around and he wanted to "test them" and he jumped up from the punching bag we sat on and swung his pair into the wooden dummy I had set up for target practice.....Oh, and Ninja stars are illegal here too....dont tell anyone
The Chucku hit the wood cut out and make a Horrible KLAK as they smashed oak dowel to plywood dummy head and the cuck bounced back fast as it was whipped out......connecting directly with said friends temple!
He awoke a half minute or so later flat on his back with the best darn shinner I have seen in years! And suffice it to say we did not hit anything with said wood dowel home made Chucks again!
Also, home made Nunchuks lead to, Broken nose on brothers face, Smashed knuckles, Many a hurt back of head and even a few "crushed jewels"!