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Post by andyupton on Jun 24, 2011 13:12:57 GMT
I have watched quite a few clips on Youtube of Yahara Sensei performing Gyaku Tsuki with what I consider an excessive twisting of the hips. Might twisting to this extent cause back problems in later life ? I realise that, as a mere 4th Dan, I might be misunderstanding Yahara Sensei's teachings in some way.
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Post by fujicolt on Jun 24, 2011 21:28:09 GMT
would have to observe what you have watched Andy - but would comment 'later in life?' he could draw a pension and moves like a 30 yr old!
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Post by jimlukelkc on Jun 25, 2011 10:14:39 GMT
Aye maybe Steve but for most of us it would mean endless rounds of physio lol . Small circles !
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Post by fujicolt on Jun 26, 2011 18:08:02 GMT
As i said Andy cannot really comment until view what you have viewed so a bit of a strangled discussion at moment!
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Post by stevenm on Jul 11, 2011 22:47:40 GMT
Yahara is 64 years old. He IS in later life. I only hope that i have the same 'problems' when i'm that old!
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Post by fujicolt on Jul 12, 2011 17:52:58 GMT
Yahara is 64 years old. He IS in later life. I only hope that i have the same 'problems' when i'm that old! that is what i actually said Steve but in fairness to Andy maybe he is one of those people with inherent back strength AND suppleness but until we see what andy refers to hard to comment.
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Post by fleur on Jul 16, 2011 9:01:43 GMT
Andy, I know exactly what you are talking about. I was introduced to the same thing when I went on Andre Bertel's seminar, as Yahara and Andre were both students of Asai. And I can tell you Megan & I couldn't walk the next day! We used muscles in our backs that we never knew existed, the pain was extreme. We took lots of drugs and long hot showers the next morning just to get moving again, as we still had another 4hrs of training ahead of us. But as with all disciplines, the more you do it, the appropriate muscles get strong. But in saying that, I am glad my current style engages a 'less is more' policy and my back is diffinately thankful.
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Post by kensei on Jul 16, 2011 14:38:23 GMT
A few factors here....
First off maybe its not that he over does it...maybe that some of us are under- doing it. I have seen his rotation doing Gyaku zuki and it is pretty much what we try to teach at our clubs and what I do in the basement Dojo ever morning.
Secondly, we may not be physically able to do the same things as others....and some simply dont try! He may have exceptional ability, flexibility and strength and others may have injuries, weaknesses and structural issues that limit their ability....most of which can be trained out of them...some can not.
Lastly, if you do something one way your whole life, and it sticks with you to old age, and others dont and suddenly try they wont be able to do what you do. Its one reason I like to see kids jump into Karate and stay. I am over 40 and my instructor turns 70 this year, we had a 20 and 35 year old join the club a few months back and they were blown away that a 70 year old could do the things he does, and they were not able to do the things that I can do (Splits for example). Its about consistancy and effort.
I dont think Yahara Sensei goes and takes hot showers and drugs after he is done with a class because he is used to it, its part of his physical ability. However, if you were to ask him to do something unique to his body like cricket...maybe that would be different for him and he would need a few pintes, some ASA and a hot shower after...or maybe horse riding..you get my point I hope.
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Post by fujicolt on Jul 16, 2011 19:38:40 GMT
Very much get yer point yer flexible Git! I was with the now famous Richard Heselton and he says that when training at the JKA you are expected to CONSTANTLY push your body. Now he was clear that doesn't mean you have to run aMarathon each day NO - what it means is that you must constantly push for that one millimetre nearer to Excellence in form etc and therefore by training for a lifetime you will get there and thus, in older age - if you have not been scuppered by illness or significant injury - you will get there and still move as freely as a much younger person but BETTER! A journey of ten thousand miles starts with the first step!OSU! it would still be helpful if Andy can direct us to the film he has been watching that led to the post.
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Post by andyupton on Jul 17, 2011 8:33:14 GMT
Steve - I would post the clip if it was on Youtube or somewhere, but it was sent to me on my Facebook page about a month ago. It was filmed on somebody's video camera. I can't remember who it was who sent it to me.
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Post by fujicolt on Jul 18, 2011 0:41:08 GMT
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