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Post by grunners4 on Sept 22, 2010 12:28:17 GMT
just a bit of clarification - what is everyone's interpretation of the term "uke" when it comes to sparring?
Practical example - 1) my sensei is demonstrating basic ippon kumite with me. I attack jodan, he blocks. Therefore he is the uke, because he receives my attack. or alternatively, 2) same scenario, I attack he blocks - I am the uke because I am the junior partner receiving the instruction.
which do most people adhere to?
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Post by Bob Davis on Sept 22, 2010 13:26:05 GMT
My interpretation has always been Uke is the one who receives the initial attack and Tori is the one who initiates. I don't have any hard and fast instruction on that it's just my own interpretation.
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Post by fujicolt on Sept 22, 2010 21:23:41 GMT
Bob is fundamentally correct however there are times when the emphasis changes - Ken no Sen, Tai No Sen and Tai Tai No Sen etc.
go look up old SKM's and you will find an article about this and how to use it in basic Kumite. tis an old article (about twenty years ago!) and you'll notice that the author was devastatingly handsome back then !!
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Post by shotokan101 on Oct 1, 2010 20:46:50 GMT
Steve - how does/can the timing of the "receivers" response affect the meaning of these terms ?
JIm
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Post by fujicolt on Oct 1, 2010 21:26:54 GMT
Hey Jim
I am putting an article together for this site that covers this point (and others) in relation to Kumite formats - kind of a follow up to the original article i wrote about 2 decades ago. should be finished soon - especially so if i can get the photographs done this weekend.
You write well - why don't you put something together to help Liam and George develop the site. maybe something about your experiences of training with the Japanese sensei - which i know you have done regularly for a very long time
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Post by Paul Bedard on Oct 3, 2010 16:03:15 GMT
I obviously have a lot to learn! My understanding is that uke is receiving technique, such as the one who is receiving in a demonstration. Also in blocking such as ude uke. If your sensei is working with you on a technique, you are still his student, ` kohai `. I`ll be looking forward to Steve`s remake of his twenty year old article. `Ancient Wisdom` Osu Paul B
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Post by fujicolt on Oct 3, 2010 18:10:39 GMT
I obviously have a lot to learn! My understanding is that uke is receiving technique, such as the one who is receiving in a demonstration. Also in blocking such as ude uke. If your sensei is working with you on a technique, you are still his student, ` kohai `. I`ll be looking forward to Steve`s remake of his twenty year old article. `Ancient Wisdom` Osu Paul B I laughed out loud Paul - Do you think it'll be written in ancient Egyptian Calligraphy on papyrus scrolls? The delay with getting the article posted is simply because of this damn injury that is making it difficult to get the photographs done. I do apologise but hope you can all be patient - and besides that papyrus play's havoc with the printer
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Post by Paul Bedard on Oct 5, 2010 3:57:45 GMT
See I told you `Ancient Wisdom` he can write in ancient egyptian calligraphy. Hieroglyphics on papyrus would be good Steve, & we`ll be patient. Wouldn`t want to jam the printer. Osu Paul B
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Post by tomobrien on Oct 17, 2010 1:18:09 GMT
My interpretation (after being the uki or uke for many years) is basically that the tori is the pitcher & the uki is the catcher, IMHO. In judo the tori is the thrower & the uki is the throwee . You realize this very quickly when you are slammed down to the tatami & you are looking up at the tori. Or when you attack with oi zuki & you get hit & kicked 14 times before being swept down & punched again . Sempai/kohai relationship, in simple terms, means that the sempai is the senior & kohai is his or her junior. Either one can be the uki or tori in any given situation. It alternates when I am working with my students. Thanks, Tom
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