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Post by jimlukelkc on Jan 29, 2012 14:10:29 GMT
Not had any training in Krav but know there are a lot of copy-cat, pseudo Kraav maga schools out there charging a fortune for it on the back of its rising popularity. I have had a look at this and cannot really see anything new here but not running it down. Get what you can out of it, the use of focus pads should be part of your training anyway and blocks? blocks do not work close up, then again blocks arent always blocks!
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Post by malk103 on Jan 29, 2012 16:23:46 GMT
I've seen some video clips of KM and recognised a fair bit.
They seem to market it as a get rich quick scheme to become able to apply self defence in any situation, something that some Karate-Ka take years to achieve.
To me it looks like Martial Arts without the art, but grab what you can from it.
Does that mean that your club has a high sports emphasis? Maybe look for another club?
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Post by deckerdude304 on Jan 29, 2012 17:24:17 GMT
Personaly, its not an Art that i would take up, i'm quite happy with my 'non-sports' Shoto and Tai Chi. To each his own though and i hope you progress with it!
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Post by kensei on Jan 31, 2012 14:51:41 GMT
only issues I have with KM is the gun and knife stuff. Seems a bit "Movie Magic" to me and a cop friend of mine said its Great....a great way to get your ass killed!
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Post by malk103 on Jan 31, 2012 16:22:32 GMT
Surely after a few hours training they can close a gap of 4 feet and disarm a gunman holding a pistol at arms length before he has time to squeeze a round off and blow a big hole in them? That's the impression I got from the last KM video I saw..... So long as the gunman does nothing else while you twist their pistol out of their hands and turn it around to point it at them. I always state that the best defence against a knife is your legs and running away.
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Post by fujicolt on Jan 31, 2012 20:06:53 GMT
Surely after a few hours training they can close a gap of 4 feet and disarm a gunman holding a pistol at arms length before he has time to squeeze a round off and blow a big hole in them? That's the impression I got from the last KM video I saw..... So long as the gunman does nothing else while you twist their pistol out of their hands and turn it around to point it at them. I always state that the best defence against a knife is your legs and running away. Oh Dear Mal - you must think I am targetting your posts! I swear I am not yours just came up. May I respectfully suggest you do some research - Re Dealing with Guns, Knives and other weapons. Look for the work of Mass Ayoob. he wrote a brilli9ant article in FAI some thirty years ago regarding the subject. A basic overview - Research has shown that when (untrained) people point a gun at you and say 'Don't move!' - if you immediately move to intercept thier brain is in such pure dominant mode they will literally brain freeze whilst you do the opposit to thier dominant command. You can draw a weapon and shoot them and they will literally die thinking - he shouldn't have done that I was in control!' It will work with knives and other weapons and even an un armed but thinks he has you scared and cornered thug. It has saved many US Officers lives. it is of course far more complicated than the above and you need to read up on it but it works - I assure you from personal experience with weapons. also - unless you are as skilled as Dave Hazard or Kagawa at kicking - keep your feet on the floor when challenged (too many tells at mid range unless you VERY fast) Sorry but true. go enjoy his article if yer can find it! OSU!
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Post by malk103 on Jan 31, 2012 21:07:46 GMT
Don't worry - don't feel targetted! It was said very much tongue in cheek but it's an interesting point you bring up. I've no idea as i've never been in that situation.
I've been in a Submarine plunging past it's deep diving depth with no signs of levelling off - same fear - different situation.
I suppose the key thing when challenged with a weapon is if you believe they would actually use it or not?
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Post by kensei on Jan 31, 2012 22:10:40 GMT
In the case of weapons disarming, you are putting your own life into a high stakes game of "will I end up with a hole in me at the end of this?" Having been stabbed twice and shot at once..and hundreds of times people have tried to take my head off my shoulders....its always a gamble to see if that guy freezes up and I would be able to disarm him. Reguardless...it aint worth the gamble at any point....with my luck I get teh bugger who is not over thinking the situation and I get a full body peircing. Any moron that teaches you that 100% of the time you wont get that psycho that is ready to shoot your arse a new hole is setting you up for DEATH. Not only that but if you startle someone that was just trying to scare you...you just got shot for rushing a guy that just wanted your wallet. Scarry how you just dont know!
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Post by fujicolt on Feb 1, 2012 10:55:09 GMT
In the case of weapons disarming, you are putting your own life into a high stakes game of "will I end up with a hole in me at the end of this?" Having been stabbed twice and shot at once..and hundreds of times people have tried to take my head off my shoulders....its always a gamble to see if that guy freezes up and I would be able to disarm him. Reguardless...it aint worth the gamble at any point....with my luck I get teh bugger who is not over thinking the situation and I get a full body peircing. Any moron that teaches you that 100% of the time you wont get that psycho that is ready to shoot your arse a new hole is setting you up for DEATH. Not only that but if you startle someone that was just trying to scare you...you just got shot for rushing a guy that just wanted your wallet. Scarry how you just dont know! Hey James - Am I reading your last sentence wrong there - who 'doesn't know?'
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Post by kensei on Feb 1, 2012 14:16:52 GMT
Hey James - Am I reading your last sentence wrong there - who 'doesn't know?' If you are facing a person, they have a gun/knife...you could be facing a "normal" person as you suggested who does not expect you to jump at them, the second you do....they freeze up...... Or, you could be facing a nut job looking to pull the trigger, his will is the only thing pulling him away from actually shooting you and that will is based on "When do I get to do this" not "should I do this" he is primed and his finger is shaky, you jump at him only to have your chest/guts ripped asunder by a ball of hot led pushing tissue aside or a knife ripping at your flesh! Nut job or hungry homless person wanting a meal, you never know! Will they be the ones that freeze, or is your action simply all it will take to actually kill you?
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Post by kensei on Feb 1, 2012 14:18:24 GMT
Case in point is the nut job on a bus that pulls a knife to kill you and your standing up and moving for his knife....only makes the distance he has to travel to slasy your throat/shoot you in the head...that much shorter. Or maybe it is a bannana in his pocket after all....we will never know!
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Post by IanM on Feb 4, 2012 14:17:55 GMT
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Post by deckerdude304 on Feb 4, 2012 23:06:35 GMT
Haha, EXCELLENT IanM!!!
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Post by Gerry Boyce on Apr 6, 2012 12:28:04 GMT
I've considered taking Krav Maga classes. My concern (among others) if assalted by a gun toting thug is having an innocent bystander hurt or killed as I attempted taking the gun from him. I'd rather give the person my wallet and be done with it.
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Post by fujicolt on Apr 7, 2012 11:19:16 GMT
your very right Gerry - Guns = MASSIVE Risk and danger - shudder!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2013 16:47:44 GMT
My two pennies worth...
Running Away Studies have been done, and whilst I cannot recall the exact figure, you have to be something like 4.5/5 metres away from someone in order to successfully run away. Unless you are planning on running straight at them, you have to turn before you can start running, whilst your attacker is already facing the right way, and can start running (after you) immediately.
Disarming of weapons As has been stated, why would you disarm someone? If they are showing you the weapon they are unlikely to want you dead, they are doing it to scare you into giving them what hey want (wallet, car keys etc). If they were planning on killing you, you would be dead before you knew what happened as they would come up behind you and not give you any warning. So why try to disarm someone and risk it going horribly wrong?
Krav Maga Krav Mage is built almost entirely around kicking people in the balls. Someone is strangling you, knee them in the balls Someone attacks you with a bat, kick them in the balls the list goes on......
Anyone that has had to deal with people who are drunk/on drugs will know, kicking people in the balls doesn't always work.
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