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Post by malk103 on Feb 1, 2013 21:47:59 GMT
Why is the second Kiai different for some orgs?
The first Kiai is on the punch not long into the Kata, some orgs do the second Kiai on the spinning jump and others on the last move. I think JKA are at the end and the SKIF Kiai on the jump.
Anyone know why they changed it?
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Post by elmar on Feb 2, 2013 0:39:13 GMT
Because they could. Seriously, IIRC, kiai is at the discretion of the performer (in older styles). It is only the federation enforced standardization of kata that enforced kiai at particular points in the kata.
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Post by Rob S on Feb 2, 2013 8:36:25 GMT
Mal, That is like asking why are there two kiai in a kata?
If we think of standardisation, who says that the JKA is correct? It is only what has become accepted.
Kiai is practiced in the performance of kata as an essential element. The exact use or placement of kiais in the original Okinawan katas was not rigorously set. The kiai should occur naturally - from the feeling given to the karate-ka by the kata itself - thus should be 'spontaneous'. If this is true surely it becomes an individual preference as to where in a kata the kiai occurs, and how many are utilised.
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Post by nathanso on Feb 2, 2013 8:42:32 GMT
To amplify what Rob said- kiai is like the tempo of a kata. There is an org-decreed standardized way. However, if I am working on a particular kata on my own, I may change the tempo of the moves from one rep to the next, depending on how I happen to view what I am doing. The same with kiai points. It may change from one time to the next.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2013 9:03:33 GMT
I have been reading Shotokan Myths by Yokota Kousaku. If I understand him correctly he suggest that at one time nobody used Kia in Okinawa. One reason cited was that if your practicing in secret you are not go and shout about it and attract attention. He also mentioned Kia started when karateka's heard kendo practisers using it. Also mentioned its introduction along side competition kumite to help with recognition of point scoring.
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Post by kensei on Feb 6, 2013 19:48:42 GMT
I hear about this "PRactice in secret" thing alot....has anyone actually researched this...my reading suggests that this is not true, but the information does not match up..>I would believe that more around WWII they had to be careful and not overtly practice, but the reasearch shows that around Itosu's time and even Sukukawa that the practice was well documented and common knowledge!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2013 11:15:38 GMT
Kensei, check out the Okinawan bunkai myth thread for info on secret practice. I have quoted something that Funakoshi wrote in Karate Do Nyumon. I should of written it in this thread really but it seemed to fit in in that one as well.
cheers
Alan
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