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Post by Allan Shepherd on Jun 14, 2013 18:02:15 GMT
Practiced Hangetsu Wednesday night and could not help notice that there appears to be different "interpretations" at one point in the kata.
After the third uchi uke/gyaku zuki we do a number of ippon ken's which culminate in kaishu yama gamae and kaishu ryowan gamae.
Question...what sequence of leading arm do you practice with each of the two gamae? Do you practice...right then left followed by turn with left gedan shuto/right chudan haito or left then right followed by left gedan shuto/right chudan haito?
Also whilst watching a video of Sensei Abe (when he was JKA) I noticed that after the mikazuki geri he performed the right gedan gyaku zuki in hangetsu dachi (not neko ashi dachi) changing to Neko ashi dachi/teisho awase gedan uke.
Any thoughts?
Best Regards Allan
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Post by Allan Shepherd on Jun 14, 2013 19:10:45 GMT
Last sentence in brackets should read zenkutsu dachi not neko ashi dachi.
Best Regards Allan
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Post by malk103 on Jun 14, 2013 21:11:09 GMT
Ours is pretty much the same as this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoQk41O_49cI also read in GF's book about the hand form when performing left Gedan Shuto, right Chudan Haito. All of the fingers/thumb curl at the last knuckle except the index finger, some do it with completely flat hands though.
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Post by Allan Shepherd on Jun 14, 2013 22:44:56 GMT
Hi Mal
Sensei Kanazawa's leading arm on both techniques are left, somewhat different from the JKA video's that I have seen which show right and left, he must have changed when he left the JKA and formed SKI!! I have over the years trained right/left and left/right but never left/left.
Regarding the flat hand shuto. Some years ago I wrote an article about how to prepare the hand for shuto, it involved having the flat open fingers all tight and straight and then tensing the thumb down which in turn "curls" the the fingers by various degrees the more tense the thumb becomes. It is almost like the tendons of the thumb "pull" the fingers into position to form shuto.
Best Regards Allan
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Post by Allan Shepherd on Jun 16, 2013 18:51:24 GMT
During the interim period I have googled Hangetsu Kata and the amazing thing is that there is so much contradiction as to how the kaishu yama gamae and kaishu ryowan gamae are performed. I viewed an old Hangetsu Kata performed by the JKA and quess what...it was performed left/left and not right /left like the current JKA!! It would therefore appear that Sensei Kanazawa is performing it like it has always been and it is the JKA who have changed it to right/left.
I trained with a UKTKF group 1988 to 1998 and the Sensei Kawasoe UKTKF DVD shows right/right which is even more confusing as we are now under JKA Afro-Eurasion. I will ask the relevant question at the next kata class.
The reason why I asked in the first place is right/left, left/right, left/left and right/right can give a totally different application to the kata just before and after the turn.
Any more thoughts?
Best Regards Allan
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Post by malk103 on Jun 16, 2013 19:17:18 GMT
We used to do it right/left and didn't realise there were so many different variations! We have gone through a technical revolution in our club as we used to stick to JKA but have varied, or have shown both ways. We have recently looked more favourably upon Sensei Kanazawa and SKIF though, partly for the reason you just gave of JKA meddling with them.
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Post by Allan Shepherd on Jun 16, 2013 21:16:02 GMT
Hi Mal
Have you experienced different applications depending on which arm leads on kaishu yama gamae before the turn and on kaishu ryowan gamae after the turn?
Best Regards Allan
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