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Kihon
Aug 7, 2013 1:29:25 GMT
Post by tomobrien on Aug 7, 2013 1:29:25 GMT
Ten no kata (tenno kata) & taikyoku. Do you guys still do em?
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Kihon
Aug 7, 2013 8:29:46 GMT
Post by Allan Shepherd on Aug 7, 2013 8:29:46 GMT
Hi Tom
Never taught Ten No Kata. Originally taught the six Taikyoku Kata but only practice the first three in our dojo, generally used as a "warm up" routine.
Best Regards Allan
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Kihon
Aug 7, 2013 16:08:14 GMT
Post by Bob Davis on Aug 7, 2013 16:08:14 GMT
We've done Ten No Kata about 4-5 times in the last 10 years if I recall.
Out of the Taikyokus we only do Taikyoku Shodan (Kihon) but we do it frequently (I still use it in my solo practice as well).
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Kihon
Aug 7, 2013 18:03:10 GMT
Post by kensei on Aug 7, 2013 18:03:10 GMT
I was taught Taikyoku shodan and nidan, but we quickly dumped them after we found it was not something that the seniors felt was worth the time and the JKA does not teach them normally so we dumped em.
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Kihon
Aug 7, 2013 19:44:25 GMT
Post by Allan Shepherd on Aug 7, 2013 19:44:25 GMT
Andy, one of our club members corrected me during kata training tonight and told me that I have been taught Ten No Kata but it was many years ago!! Must have been one of those "senior moments" when I posted.
Strangely enough I was originally taught the six Taikyoku Kata from someone who was not Shotokan having picked up on them from Henri Plee's 1967 book Begineer to Black Belt. Strangely enough also the same book has the Ten No Kata.
Best Regards Allan
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Kihon
Aug 7, 2013 20:22:00 GMT
Post by malk103 on Aug 7, 2013 20:22:00 GMT
We only practice the one Kihon Kata, think it's the first with just Gedan Barai and front punch. We prefer to start teaching the Heian Kata and use Kihon for their first grade only, I think one of the kids Karate places near me uses loads of them to add extra grades to their journey.
The main lesson we get out of it is that it's the first Kata you will soon be able to do without thinking about the next move, you can then start to concentrate on the speed and where to apply power, on better stances, turns and technique. You can also concentrate on your enemies. Once you have these lessons then you can start applying the same to the Heian Kata etc. Even though it only has 2 basic techniques it is still an impressive looking Kata when done correctly.
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Kihon
Aug 7, 2013 22:10:05 GMT
Post by Allan Shepherd on Aug 7, 2013 22:10:05 GMT
My understanding is everything starts and ends with Kihon Kata, a bit like starting as a white belt then gaining black belt which wears over time back to white.
If Kihon Kata is so important and contains all the elements that a karateka requires why is Kihon Kata not seen in major competitions?
Best Regards Allan
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Kihon
Aug 8, 2013 1:00:54 GMT
Post by nathanso on Aug 8, 2013 1:00:54 GMT
I've never done, or for that matter, seen Ten No Kata. My first 2 clubs were JKA and therefore never did any of the Taikyoku. My current club does Taikyoku 1 for beginners. I see no reason why H1 shouldn't be done instead.
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Kihon
Aug 8, 2013 8:30:23 GMT
Post by Allan Shepherd on Aug 8, 2013 8:30:23 GMT
Had time to think about Ten No Kata.
Maybe lots of karateka HAVE practiced Ten No Kata without even realising it simply because it has just been practised as a set of various blocks/strikes/counters from yoi or shizentai without identifying same as we do with other kata!!
My recollection of Taikyoku (whether practising first 3 or all 6) was that all were dispensed with in favour of Taikyoku Shodan which became Kihon Kata.
Originally being taught JKA via the KUGB then moving around over the years I have always been used to practising Taikyoku Shodan/Kihon Kata in one form or another. Our group are affiliated to Sensei Kawasoe (UKTKF/JKA) and as I understand it we practice Taikyoku 1-3.
Best Regards Allan
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Kihon
Aug 8, 2013 9:11:52 GMT
Post by Bob Davis on Aug 8, 2013 9:11:52 GMT
We could do a quick straw poll, how many of us regularly practice attack/block-counter drills direct from Shizentai? (as in Ten No kata). As to Kihon kata, personally I still see value in it as a tool in my personal training and as an evalution of a students level (but that's probably just me ) Although I'll admit there's nothing in it that can't be drilled without the use of the kata things that a student may focus on during a drill will often drift when in "kata mode" and fail to be applied, this is a very easy kata to observe this in.
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Kihon
Aug 10, 2013 12:38:23 GMT
Post by elmar on Aug 10, 2013 12:38:23 GMT
We could do a quick straw poll, how many of us regularly practice attack/block-counter drills direct from Shizentai? (as in Ten No kata). I certainly do, especially with HAPV attacks You are likely to be in (at best) shizen-tai in one of these.
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Kihon
Aug 12, 2013 7:06:24 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 7:06:24 GMT
At the clubs I have trained in we just did kihon and then moved into Heian katas. Never done the Ten No Kata.
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Kihon
Sept 4, 2013 1:44:58 GMT
Post by tomobrien1 on Sept 4, 2013 1:44:58 GMT
We do ten no kata, taikyoku shodan & sandan & then we go to heian.
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