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Post by andyupton on Jan 22, 2011 22:56:39 GMT
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Post by fujicolt on Jan 22, 2011 23:10:12 GMT
hey andy we've all (very kindly) been taught to do this now
courtesy of James
and if i can work it out anyone can HAHA!
nice little clip well edited
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Post by Paul Bedard on Jan 23, 2011 2:48:05 GMT
Good Stuff! Looks like Sensei firechief knows what he is doing. I like how they modified the Shotokan Tiger and have the flames coming out of the head, tail & feet. Nice `kiai` `FIRE` Osu Paul B
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Post by andyupton on Jan 23, 2011 15:40:51 GMT
A computer expert now are we, Steve ?
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Post by Paul Bedard on Jan 23, 2011 15:57:17 GMT
He is improving! Those sleepless nights haven`t been wasted. lol Paul B
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Post by andyupton on Jan 23, 2011 16:03:25 GMT
Where is the info from James ? I can't seem to find it
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Post by fujicolt on Jan 23, 2011 21:55:42 GMT
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Post by andyupton on Jan 24, 2011 5:41:49 GMT
Thanks Steve (and of course James)
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Post by Rob S on Apr 13, 2012 18:53:06 GMT
Shuuichi Serikawa was a former student in KWF, and some of what he still teaches has reflections of Yahara. His Kata is ala Kanazawa, and his association is with Pemba Tamang. They are a truly great dojo that is about 3 years old now, and have one interest ... training.
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Post by Allan Shepherd on Apr 13, 2012 21:37:48 GMT
So refreshing to see that technique via the hips is still being taught. When I am teaching I am continually emphasising exactly this. Amazing how many students have never experienced this type of training before. Body dynamics are such an important part of our Art.
Best Regards Allan
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Post by nathanso on Apr 14, 2012 3:42:33 GMT
While I agree that he uses his hips, I am surprised at how much he moves his front knee as he rotates from the punch to the block and back. That is something that would have been chastised back in my JKA days. Question for Rob- is that something idiosyncratic to him, or is this something that is now taught in the WKF?
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Post by Rob S on Apr 14, 2012 21:10:09 GMT
Hi,
OK.
The exercises are purely for training the compression and rotation of the muscles in the rear leg. If the front knee is totally solid (maybe perfect technique) it will not allow the rear leg to work. Even Mr. Yahara let's his front knee wobble a little.
As I resigned from KWF a few years ago, so am not really in a position to speak about KWF technique. And it is better not to be drawn into discussions on their methodology.
I can speak about the man in the video - as I know him well.
Hope that assists.
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Post by nathanso on Apr 15, 2012 3:59:08 GMT
Rob- I believe that one shouldn't sacrifice function to an over obsession to form, so a bit of movement is certainly ok IMO. As for the rest, I understand your position.
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Post by makoto on Apr 15, 2012 11:09:33 GMT
I thought it was very Yahara like karate when I watched the video at first. I like the use of hips. However, I found the guy in the video(very good all the same) used a little bit too much upper body(maybe even a bit too much shoulder tension) and was a bit off balanced(many times his feet were not planted firmly on the ground, and the blade of his foot, sokuto, was off the floor. You can not have good stability if you do that).
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Post by fujicolt on Apr 15, 2012 16:41:48 GMT
If the front knee is totally solid (maybe perfect technique) it will not allow the rear leg to work. Read more: ourshotokanstudies.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=videos&thread=310&page=1#6649#ixzz1s7z4h4RrHey Robert - I assume you - like we all do LOL! speed typed this so would ask you to kindly expand your point because IMHO it is totally wrong as it is the stability of the front leg (and thus the knee) that permits the rear leg to do it's Job and create the correct hip movement (you know, the old 'hinged door' analogy. I agree that due to individual circumstances of a particular event, movement of the front leg occurs and is acceptable but in the classic form context this isn't the case. or is that what you actually meant?
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Post by Rob S on Apr 20, 2012 17:14:29 GMT
Hi. The object of that training he was speaking of are: 1) to expand the hip to a hanmi that is as close to essentially 180 degrees (N to s so to speak)as possible, 2) to rotate the larger muscles in the upper leg as far as possible. To really feel this you have to allow a small degree of play/movement in the front knee (even if we class a static knee as perfect technique) in order to begin to feel the muscles and hip working to max. The object is purely the hip and rear leg in the exercise. 3) once the leg is fully 'twisted on itself' (my words) like the strands of a rope, the pressure in the ankle 'begins the unleashing' of the rear leg, making the muscles forefully rotate back into place quickly, that in turn assists the hip to snap forward.
That is why he is spinning at 2.06. He is talking about the leg and hip action only.
Having trained this technique extensively in the past 15 years or so I understand its principle and idea. It is solely a means of learning to use the leg.
I am aware that most mainline Shotokan karate-ka criticise the flex of the front knee, especially when they watch some of the most senior exponents using the training do it, but the focus is on maximising the torque, then the rotation will follow.
I will neither disagree nor agree on the hinging door, as the method being shown in the video and in fact by its main practitioner to a degree, is not totally possible to feel if the front knee is totally 'locked'.
We need to keep in mind that this is purely a discussion on the use of the rear leg and the 'genkai made' hanmi.
Of course the exponent on the video has some kihon errors, that he works constantly on to try and rectify.
This is purely a kihon excercise. He would not be advocating this is when performing the kata for example. Things like a flat foot are still required.
I am not really wishing to speak about KWF technicalities as I no longer reside there, so please do not equate anything I say to that great organisation.
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