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Post by Paul Bedard on Feb 25, 2011 3:36:30 GMT
Steve, please don`t misunderstand, we have always gone forward as part of our training, but I don`t think that it was as much of a focus as it is today.. When I first started training in B.C. here, our chief instructor was a 3rd dan, we had a 2nd dan a few first dans, a hand full of brown belts & lots of colours. The 2nd dan had his own dojo`s with the YMCA group, so our focus has been ever evolving as the standards have been ever increasing, we did not have the availability of numerous high ranking people to train under or to train with. If you had any rank, you ran a dojo & didn`t get to train with similar rank Except maybe 3 times a year, training with a master, the seniors classes were brown & black, as we didn`t have enough black belts to make a class. Then back to your dojo & most clubs had seniors at the brown belt level. Of course that is so different today. The type of kumite drills that we do today, far exceed what once was. We may have been behind a lot of other areas, but I`m proud to say that we are getting there. As testimony to this we have 2 years in a row gotten 3rd in team kumite at our Canadian Nationals. I remember when our chief instructor had tekki sandan as his kata as he didn`t really know any more advanced. I watched as sensei Cathy Cline was teaching him `Sochin`. Now of course, well I can do all but 4 of the 26 & of course once I can train outside & more regularly, that number will change again. Jyu Ippon was the `wow` training, now of course we teach strategies of Jyu Ippon. So to answer your question Steve, it`s in 2 parts; 1. We didn`t have the availability. 2. We weren`t ready yet. 25 years ago when I started teaching we were so young & inexperienced. However thanks to many seminars & camps along with constant training & research, we are able to provide a much more well rounded training program than we ever could have received. This last 10 years has had us jump leaps & bounds, as the karate kids of the 90`s, turned into the karate adults of the 2000`s. I hope that this isn`t taken out of context. I don`t mean to sound off with an aggressive sounding answer. Steve asked an honest question & I`m trying to be straight forward with an honest answer. Osu Paul B
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Post by Paul Bedard on Feb 25, 2011 3:39:35 GMT
Sorry I made a mistake in the kumite. we once thought that Jyu Ippon was `wow`, now we teach strategies of `Jyu Kumite` Osu Paul B
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Post by Paul Bedard on Feb 25, 2011 3:41:55 GMT
Also please Chuck, relate any stories that you can remember in `Those were the days`.. Great to be able to hear from some one who has been there!!! Osu Paul B
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Post by fujicolt on Feb 25, 2011 23:30:32 GMT
paul, i have no problemwith your answer at all mate - i asked and you answered. I am just concerned that it has taken your seniors so long to introduce concepts that IMO should have been part of your training from T MINIMUM Shodan irrelevant of distances involved. the JKA took millions of pounds and it would have been a drop in the ocean for them to subsidise Instructors to travel to remote areas. At your rank it must be at least a decade years since your shodan and they have taken your fees throughout.
I know from our discussions how committed you are and it saddens me to hear it appears not to have been reciprocated.
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Post by Paul Bedard on Feb 26, 2011 0:00:35 GMT
One thing that I appreciate Steve is the fact that we can be understandably honest with each other. In so doing we can also help the next generation with knowing that there was people like us who went forth & multiplied to gain knowledge & now they don`t have to travel to the ends of the earth to learn what they seek.. ( I know, a little dramatic, but in a way so true!!) I all fairness, I must say that there was squad training available for the karateka on the provincial team, but as I travelled so much as it was to gain what I could in the way of regular training, I couldn`t justify more time away for training geared towards tournaments that I wasn`t going to participate in. So part of the reason for some of the lack of exposure was choice. We have from the begining of my time with what was then JKA & now we are solely ISKF have had training with the masters 3 times annually, which to my understanding is more than most of the provinces in Canada. Sensei Cathy Cline has held a camp just across the border for over 20 yrs now & I certainly have no complaints about the training. We have had a good mix of the 3 k`s in my opinion, sometimes I think it is also what are we chosing to focus on when we get home. I can of course only truly relate to my experience & by the time that my students reach shodan, all except one have moved away shortly thereafter, so to be able to push forward has been a challenge. So I have most likely spent more time teaching basics than most would care to admit. I have a good group of brown belts at this time & am looking forward to our club going to the next level. In so saying, I am teaching my club more than ever. We cover so much more ground than ever before. Focusing on attacking the attack is just one of many points.. I have not had students interested in tournaments for over a decade, so the finer points of Jyu kumite have not been a focus point. However, using karate for self defense has. So now I`m in an interesting spot, where my mind wants, but my body is resisting. I have students who are keen, & I`m giving them everything that I have, but I know that in some areas they will grow past me. This is how it should be. Sorry to babble on off topic here, but I just started typing & this is what came out. I will not attack who has taught me, as I have never been disappointed & I am continually learning!! Osu Paul B
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Post by Paul Bedard on Feb 26, 2011 0:04:22 GMT
Oh by the way! I received shodan dec/89, 21 yrs ago... Paul B
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Post by fujicolt on Feb 26, 2011 1:23:22 GMT
at no point was i questioning you or your abilities paul and i accept your respect for what you have recieved.
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Post by Paul Bedard on Feb 26, 2011 4:10:02 GMT
Oh, I know Steve. Like I mentioned, I got a bit off post & was thinking while my fingers were punching keys & that is what came out. I have no doubt that we have a mutual respect & I welcome any & all questions & thoughts. Like you have said so many times, we can also debate, agree or agree to disagree. Also we can appreciate what we have by sharing & learning with each other. It would be presumetuous of any one of us to think that we have all had the same opportunities. This is one of the reasons that I say that today students don`t have to put on the miles & years to receive their training in the same fashion that we did. For example; in my little town no one else needs to travel continuously to get the training they need to achieve shodan.. That has been done by someone, who lives here & has no plans on moving away, who also loves to share... Osu Paul B
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Post by fujicolt on Feb 26, 2011 5:10:53 GMT
all i can say Paul is I have learnt a great deal from the guys and gals who contribute here and tis great to see that membership growing. we all owe one to Dod, Kim and Liam Watt for launching this site.
ps, - you coming to the spring friendship course?
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Post by Paul Bedard on Feb 26, 2011 15:46:10 GMT
Yes Steve you are right! This site is certainly valuable in broadening our horizons. Dod, Kim & Liam deserve a lot of credit for putting it together for us all to enjoy. When I saw the announcement, for your spring friendship course, featuring Yokota sensei, I wanted to go & by a plane ticket right away. I wish it was that easy. I would love to be able to go & be a part of this milestone event, but unfortunately I can`t make it this year. I am however saving my pennies, so maybe sooner rather than too much later I`ll be able to visit you fine folks over in the U.K.. During a similar event I hope.. A nice time of year, to also take in some quality site seeing at the same time. This is a goal that I have set & I know that my missus is getting to like the idea.. Osu Paul B
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Post by fujicolt on Feb 26, 2011 19:31:50 GMT
Your Missus would be very welcome indeed - you we'd tolerate LOL! seriously Paul it would be wonderful to see you at this very special ground breaking 'Friendship' event! can't your Bethany lend yer the dosh?
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Post by Paul Bedard on Feb 27, 2011 5:21:58 GMT
I`ll be you you all in spirit. Without going into too much detail, my family needs right now are very demanding & having to take a high priority of my time & my funds. Just cause the kids turn into adults, doesn`t really put them on their own these days it seems. Paul B
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Post by fujicolt on Feb 28, 2011 0:24:34 GMT
No argument with that - But we'll miss ya haha!
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Post by kensei on Mar 2, 2011 14:30:12 GMT
"No first attack" does not mean that you always defend...no....it also does not mean that you dont attack first after you THINK that your attacker is going to attack.....it means so many differnent things and is actually very deep! It means dont go looking for a fight and if you ahve to back away, if you can not...then move on to the next Precept in the Niju kun.......
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Post by fujicolt on Mar 2, 2011 18:29:25 GMT
Exactly - and very complex when you finally think it through = secondary elements!
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Post by guyakuzuki on Apr 22, 2011 7:17:00 GMT
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Post by fujicolt on Apr 25, 2011 15:51:11 GMT
Guy there are bits of this makes me feel if this is staged - but if not he broke the law several times after dropping him with first two punch combo (one of which missed) after that = illegally, especially the kick when down and NO Danger.
i suspect a considerable amount of alcohol involved which is rarely granted as an excuse in court!
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Post by guyakuzuki on Apr 26, 2011 16:12:46 GMT
Guy there are bits of this makes me feel if this is staged - but if not he broke the law several times after dropping him with first two punch combo (one of which missed) after that = illegally, especially the kick when down and NO Danger. i suspect a considerable amount of alcohol involved which is rarely granted as an excuse in court! indeed Steve,he went too far after he dropped him to the ground...and it could have cost him dearly if this went to court
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Post by fujicolt on Apr 27, 2011 3:02:10 GMT
I occasionally do seminars for security personnal and Bailiffs, Prison Officers etc and the hardest thing to get across is the law allows you an abilty to defend yourself BUT it is limited and you HAVE TO KNOW when enough is enough (and legal) and when too much (is illegal) and will but you in the dock!
wise words from you Guy - you should get out and teach cos you clearly know the law in relation to SD.
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Post by kensei on Oct 27, 2011 12:56:12 GMT
the whole idea is to have complete situational awairness. The guy that looses his mind and goes appy after the other guy will more than likely committ assault while trying to save his own butt!
Keep your mind working and know when enough is enough!
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