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Post by kensei on Feb 15, 2011 22:14:43 GMT
Out of curriosity what kind of training do you all do during Gasshuku/ Seminars.
Do you stick to the same things you do in regular training in the dojo, or do you try and spice it up with special training and unique training drills ext.?
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Post by fujicolt on Feb 16, 2011 0:41:56 GMT
we add to what we do normally and try and give stuff to work upon for months to come - a not small task!
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Post by kensei on Feb 16, 2011 1:12:40 GMT
The reason I ask is one of our instructors who gives seminars does the SAME thing he does in class and has the same students in the seminar as in class and I have been hearing that the students dont want to fork over an extra $45 a seminar when they are already paying for the same thing per month.
When I teach I try to focus on a specific idea or technique and build on it. I try to do some interesting things that the juniors enjoy like a "black belt Kata" or some unique applications that cross over styles...like from my time in Aikido or Judo and we work on the applications.
however this same instructor, A senior of mine has told me to my face that he wants me to go back to teaching basics and that is all because he feels his students need more basics...but we have an issue with students not wanting to go to his class and I dont want them abandoning mine.
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Post by fujicolt on Feb 16, 2011 20:57:17 GMT
Not quite sure of the hierarchy system you have but if i have guests teaching for me I generally give them free reign unless i have a specific thing that i know they are excellent at and i may 'ask' them to cover it. if i am a guest instructor i usually ask is there anything you would like me to cover - i'd say 98 percent of the time they answer - anything you want to do. i tend to watch the class do something for a while and may then aim at points i spot that may help them - or i build a theme around a specific issue or area and build on that. I think that special visits and trainiing camps should have something special in the content - even if it is approaching a common aspect of thier normal training and coming at it in a completely new way. However, I would always put the needs of the students as uppermost and I think that must be your aim James - have you tried speaking to the guy about it? OR BETTER STILL COME OVER FOR ONE OF THE FRIENDSHIP COURSES AND WE'LL SHOW YOU HOW WE DO IT - YOU AND YOURS WOULD BE MADE VERY WELCOME
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Post by andyupton on Feb 16, 2011 21:17:40 GMT
We used to hold week long "Karate Holidays" at Bangor University. In the morning session we did normal Shotokan Karate training under such senseis as Sensei Frank Cope, Dave Hooper, Trevor and Nigel Wiliams, Dave Pridgeon and Phil Dutton. In the afternoon session, we had guest sensei from other Martial Arts e.g Sensei Terry Ezra for Aikido, John Lynn for impact training, Harry Mundy (I think) for Judo. We loved it (but it was very tiring ! ;D)
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Post by fujicolt on Feb 18, 2011 2:43:23 GMT
With that line up of instructors Andy I suspect there were very few early nights to bed as well as v.good karate instruction - no wonder you all knackered!
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Post by superjock on Feb 18, 2011 9:55:07 GMT
Have been on a camp recently where it was all exercises to tire out kids, not much karate. Which was a shame cause the guy running it is very talented and I feel he had heaps more to give. I have set a rough theme for Harry but will leave the content times etc. up to him. Will take a few toys chi ishi, kettlebells, bulgarian bag etc. home made kick thingies etc just incase. Was on a weekend camp at Aviemore with Billy Higgins once training included running away from the cops in bare feet at 3am ;D Note to self: Town trees are not toilets
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Post by kensei on Feb 18, 2011 14:18:02 GMT
Not quite sure of the hierarchy system you have but if i have guests teaching for me I generally give them free reign unless i have a specific thing that i know they are excellent at and i may 'ask' them to cover it. the problem is that the gent that is running the training is senior to me by a few ranks and years and tends to run things as if he is the only one that knows anything. The problem is that I get told by everyone that they enjoy my classes much more when they come to visit than when I am doing the seminars. It is frustrating to say the least! i tend to watch the class do something for a while and may then aim at points i spot that may help them - or i build a theme around a specific issue or area and build on that. LOL, that is what my instructor taught me about teaching years ago and that is what he does. I tend to lean more towards building on themes and working up ideas over a week end. have you tried speaking to the guy about it? No, but that comes from the fact that I KNOW I would have greater success putting my head threw a brick wall than getting through to him...or at least about the same! I spoke with my instructor last night and told him we are going to have our seminars in March, I have not yet been asked to teach, but I am sure I will...and I am teaching what I want as we have opted to have he seminars at our club this time around! He agreed and was a bit shocked at how the other instructor barked out orders to me as to what I was teaching. OR BETTER STILL COME OVER FOR ONE OF THE FRIENDSHIP COURSES AND WE'LL SHOW YOU HOW WE DO IT - YOU AND YOURS WOULD BE MADE VERY WELCOME I spoke with my wife about that and she told me to grow wings! Not sure if that was a yes or not...but I will keep working on it...both the growing wings and getting her to allow me to buy a air line ticket if that does not work out. ;D
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Post by andyupton on Feb 18, 2011 14:45:57 GMT
With that line up of instructors Andy I suspect there were very few early nights to bed as well as v.good karate instruction - no wonder you all knackered! It was fantastic, Steve. Instruction of the highest quality. PLUS...The first time I had ever eaten garlic bread was on a Bangor course - made by Dave Pridgeon and his missus Angela ! ;D
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Post by fujicolt on Feb 19, 2011 3:24:53 GMT
Oh how threads evolve and change with each post - However that's a First Andy - we went from difficulties and concerns about Gasshuku training raised by Kensei on tither side of the world to you in NW England discussing my best man and his wife feeding you your first ever Garlic Bread - wonder what the odds on predicting that one woulda been? LOL!!!
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Post by andyupton on Feb 19, 2011 10:41:51 GMT
Oh how threads evolve and change with each post - However that's a First Andy - we went from difficulties and concerns about Gasshuku training raised by Kensei on tither side of the world to you in NW England discussing my best man and his wife feeding you your first ever Garlic Bread - wonder what the odds on predicting that one woulda been? LOL!!! LOL Steve !
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Post by jimlukelkc on Feb 19, 2011 23:01:18 GMT
Garlic Bread!?! ( sorry)
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Post by fujicolt on Feb 20, 2011 10:11:33 GMT
It's the future!! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by andyupton on Feb 20, 2011 21:32:09 GMT
"It's a taste sensation !"
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Post by fujicolt on Feb 20, 2011 22:48:13 GMT
I think tis time to return to the thread - how many of you have ever been to an 'OPEN TO ALL' GASSHUKU? We started doing these friendship Gasshuku 2 yrs ago and each time have had as many as 7 different different Associations represented and EVERYONE getting a long fine for several days of very intensive and spirited training - 'warms me heart it does'!
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Post by kensei on Feb 21, 2011 17:54:07 GMT
Hey Steve,
Not only have I never been to one...I have never seen one in our area. We have ISKF, ITKF, JKA and a SKD club in winnipeg and I could not see a open Gasshuku being allowed or well recieved. Partially because winnipeg is such a small city feel, and everyone seems to know each other..and have issues.
I have been told that the ITKF group had a open Gasshuku when Nishyama came up to Winnipeg years ago and only a hand full of ISKF people slipped out and we were not invited or told about it nor was the SKD guys. So, it was open but...only tho those that A)wanted to go and B) were invited.
We were told months later that we could have gone...but were not told. One of my old Seniors in Brandon has a WTKO group that holds open seminars once and a while and he often posts that we are all invited, but I tend to miss the camps....kicking myself after!
Personally I would love to host a open Gasshuku.
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Post by fujicolt on Feb 21, 2011 20:29:22 GMT
ours have been a huge success and we plan to do several this year - I have found without doubt that those against such events are the one with the issues that usually include:
protecting their income and power base scared of their students learning something they have never done with them ignorance of the fact that students allowed to 'roam' tend to come back and have gained a lot and admire their seniors even more
I am so proud of the fact that students from different groups whom met at our friendship courses, not only keep in touch with each other but have even met up to socialise and train together after the courses. this is our third year of doing them now and people are wanting to ensure they have a place booked not only cos they enjoy the course itself but they know they will meet friends - made at the previous courses - again!
the greatest comment that i here regularly after the course is 'It doesn't feel like a course - it feels like a club and we have all trained together for years' This is from people from geographically different areas and many different organisations
and that is a joy for me to hear
James I urge you to consider doing one and genuinely invite everyone you can. If you need some help in how to do it pls contact me privately and I will goladly help you - there is a formula that works.
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