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Post by andyupton on Dec 13, 2011 18:02:28 GMT
I was taking the class on Sunday, and we were practicing Bassai Sho kata, when there was a dispute. Just before the Yoko Geri Kekomi, I told the class that you make a "triangle" with your first two fingers and your thumb touching your forearm (as in Bassai Dai), but one of my students (a 3rd Dan) maintained that you grasp your right wrist with your left hand. But that technique appears in KANKU Sho. I have looked in Best Karate, but it doesn't show it clearly. So then - who is right ? JKA method only please ! ;D
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Post by superjock on Dec 13, 2011 18:38:02 GMT
Seem to remember the Bassai dai version was grasping the wrist as in the chin na small hand wrap and Bassai-sho was finger tips for grasping sleeves. Then again I haven't practised either of these kata for years so don't listen to me
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Post by Paul Bedard on Dec 13, 2011 19:34:35 GMT
Hi Andy; even though I have done this kata numerous times, I`m far from an expert, but here is my understanding. You are correct in that in Bassai the finger tips touch the forearm/wrist, while in Kanku Sho you grab the wrist. There is a distinct difference between the two! Osu Paul B
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Post by andyupton on Dec 13, 2011 21:07:47 GMT
Hi Andy; even though I have done this kata numerous times, I`m far from an expert, but here is my understanding. You are correct in that in Bassai the finger tips touch the forearm/wrist, while in Kanku Sho you grab the wrist. There is a distinct difference between the two! Osu Paul B That's both Bassai Dai AND Sho with the fingertips, yes ?
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Post by Bob Davis on Dec 13, 2011 22:02:29 GMT
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Post by Paul Bedard on Dec 13, 2011 22:25:47 GMT
Love these kind of questions, as they inspire me to do a bit of research. Here is what I found. In the Best Karate #9 ( Bassai Sho, Kanku Sho, Chinte), it is quite clear. On page 29 ( Bassai Sho ), upper right hand corner you can clearly see the palm heel of the left hand, obviously fingertips. If this was grabbing the wrist, the palm heel would not be visible. This is a grasping block with both hands. Describe arc to the front with right hand under left elbow. Both palms downward. This is the same as Bassai Dai 18. 19. Therefore according to Best Karate Bassai Dai & Sho are the same in this sequence. Hope this helps. Osu Paul B
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Post by superjock on Dec 14, 2011 2:31:44 GMT
Yip now I remember just went out to the garage and done it without thinking about it dai = finger tips......sho = wrist grab.
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Post by tomobrien on Dec 14, 2011 2:50:26 GMT
I just love both of em Thanks, Tom
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Post by middleton on Dec 14, 2011 12:52:20 GMT
Good morning, This particular movement in both Bassai Dai & Bassai Sho are performed using the triangle method, while Kanku Sho is performed with the wrist grab. Osu, Scott Middleton www.traditionalkarateofbrandon.ca
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Post by koshi no kire on Dec 14, 2011 18:36:35 GMT
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZurrQyXgp1gHere, a clip of Kagawa Sensei shows something in between the fingertips touching and the full wrist grab. This is how Kawasoe Sensei used to teach it, but recently he has been teaching more of a wrist grab, as in Kanku Sho. I'll ask what he thinks on the matter! Cheers all
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Post by fujicolt on Dec 14, 2011 22:17:04 GMT
twas always been the traingular shaped touch as far as i know but things change at the whim of instructors. here is the JKA official vidieo version - tis not too clear but you can clearly see the gap so not a grab the wrist version. Andy - you have had direct undiluted lineage via Frank Cope - do what Frank says - it's never failed me! Yer lucky git LOL!
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