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Post by malk103 on Feb 15, 2012 14:41:11 GMT
Apart from the standard Kihon combinations done for grading there must be an infinate number of combinations that can be put together from all of the basic Kihon moves. Does anyone include bits of Kata? Thinking it may be an ideal way for Kyu grades to learn the next Kata if they had already covered bits of it.
I can see a lot of combinations are repeated in other Kata - i.e. the 4 Shotu Ukes at the end of Heian Shodan are repeated in Heian Nidan, Sochin and others.
On a similar theme, does anyone use bits of Kata during Kumite? I'm keen to learn more Bunkai from Kata, it would seem logical to merge the 3 K's.
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Post by Gerry Boyce on Jun 22, 2012 14:42:47 GMT
I'm in a bit of a unique situation since I only self train, so my kihon is mostly based on combinations from kata using heavy bags. In warm weather I practice kata outdoors and then work on combinations after I return home using heavy bags in my garage.
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Post by Rob S on Jun 22, 2012 14:51:29 GMT
I think it is a good idea to use strings of waza found in kata as kihon foundation training. For me, at the end of the day, good kata comes from good kihon!
Working on the other aspects of kata, as Gerry does, using impact training aids is also a good idea.
But I think we still need to work on every aspect of the waza. Make it as good as it can be.
As an example, in Iaido, a good cut is essential. It does not matter how much we know, how many kata we know, if we can not do that single good cut, it is all just smoke and mirrors!
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Post by ruestir on Jun 22, 2012 17:38:14 GMT
In my opinion any technique from kata are kihon. Thus, any sequence from kata can and should be drilled regularly. First in air. Second with a compliant partner. Followed up with a progressively non-compliant partner or partners.
Using the techniques from kata in free sparring is almost impossible if you're doing it with a tournament mindset IMHO. However, if you mean during a simulated attack where the defender has to respond with the combinations from kata being worked on, I think that's a brilliant idea.
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Post by Allan Shepherd on Jun 22, 2012 19:45:10 GMT
Hi Mal
When I teach kata, particularly to Kyu grades I will where possible teach in a straight line similar to teaching kihon combinations. Once they have the order of each technique we go onto the embusen line for direction. By doing this the initial emphasis is on the individual technique as in kihon combinations and not have to worry about direction. The 3 K's are merged since Kihon is Kata is Kumite.
Best Regards Allan
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Post by fleur on Jun 24, 2012 8:17:16 GMT
Yep agreed. Everyone is definitely on the same page here. Go for it Mal.
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Post by kensei on Jun 30, 2012 12:32:45 GMT
So, the question is "do we have gradings and include Drills that come from Kata in the testing". Its a great idea, but right now..not really done in our group (JKA). We stick to the rather standard testing format and as I am not one of the "powers that be" and only assist by directing testings I dont see that being a format change in the future...however, on a personal note, I think its a great idea!
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Post by elmar on Jun 30, 2012 17:16:35 GMT
There is a difference between what happens on "the test" and what happens in the grader's head. In many cases, the actual "test" is all the time since the last test. But, if the kata sequences have been practiced as 2 person kihon, that understanding will show through in how the kata is executed "on the test, " I think.
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Post by hamhead on Jul 1, 2012 1:03:51 GMT
IF kata were the vessels that held the techniques for transmission, then kihon are those techniques taken straight out of the vessel. It just happens someone already decided for you which techniques to take out and call kihon. Surely you too can dip into the vessel and pick out any technique you like for kihon? (i.e Kihon did not come first, kata did! IMO).
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