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Post by kensei on Mar 1, 2012 16:10:55 GMT
I am currently dealing with a boat load of instructor/student issues as the chairman of the group and default council for the group (Read head shrinker).
It has become abundantly clear that any instructor that teaches Karate should be made to sign a Code of Conduct agreement and should be forced to stick to it or they get the boot!
Just saying!!!!!
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Post by malk103 on Mar 1, 2012 16:56:24 GMT
Is it all instructor faults or a mixture? I read through our governing bodies' Policies and our Club constitution, then was quized on it all, before I took up a training position. Not a formal exam, just some questions to ensure we were on the same wave length.
But yes there should be a good set of guidelines for both Instructor and student to be beaten with if they step out of line. Maybe regular refresher classes....
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Post by Bob Davis on Mar 1, 2012 18:00:45 GMT
Which is fine except that (over here at least) large numbers of instuctors give their time free of charge just for the sake of giving back something. They put a lot of time and effort in for no actual reward. More often than not out of pocket by the time you've paid insurance, traveled to venues, made up the shortfall when not enough people turn up on any session etc.. not to mention the amount of personal effort involved (or did I mention the effort already . If you are going to start "beating" them as well, how many will walk? Just saying
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Post by kensei on Mar 1, 2012 19:33:11 GMT
Those that walk would not be wanted!
Truth is that their are great instructors, good instructors, bad instructors and morons that need a beating and jail time.
Not talking about any recent events, but I knew of an instructor or two back in the day that had "swingers" parties and invited students.....A good beating would have done them some good..and only if they did not like it.
Guess I am just a puritian but I believe in honor and a moral code!
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Post by Bob Davis on Mar 1, 2012 21:59:05 GMT
I understand what you are saying here (and am not trying to push your buttons, honest). I believe we are discussing 2 issues here, by a "code of conduct" I'm interpreting your meaning a minimum standard of behavior to be expected in your dealings with students, which is a separate thing from your ability as an instructor. If someone does not meet the minimum standards required as an instructor then do not license or promote them as one in the first place and the onus ought to be on the association to both train and support their instructors in a professional manner, (rather than the oft used policy of "your a blackbelt go and teach, send us the cash"). If an instructor is found to be behaving in an inappropriate manner with students then by all means kick them out, and inform the appropriate authorities. This is a different thing however from which implies, and I'm just using this as an example (quite possibly taken out of context so apologies), that a club instructor needs to tow the party line or else, irrespective of their standard of behavior, or quality of their teaching. I'm sure we've all seen good instuctors shown the door from one group or another for having their own opinions
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Post by kensei on Mar 1, 2012 22:45:04 GMT
I was aiming more at the "Dont touch the kiddies" or "Dont show up fall down drunk" or "Dont go to jail for taking old ladies money" kind of thing over "Ve Av vays To make You pay your doos"!
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Post by malk103 on Mar 2, 2012 0:06:22 GMT
The beatings I mentioned weren't physical ones, just a term that if they stepped out of line then you can reference the area in the guidlines/rules and use it to warn them - to hopefully get them back on track - or a route to get rid of them.
Back to Bob's earlier point then he describes how I see most instructors, they do it to give something back to Karate and to pass on their skills/knowledge - but I would say you have to keep within the rules - even if you are making up a shortfall etc.
When I mentioned guidelines earlier I was thinking more along the lines of Child protection policies, appropriate behaviour, no swearing etc, it doesn't mean they have to be a perfect role model but people will look up to them.
As a seperate issue then if the instructor turns out to be naff at teaching or strays too far from the syllabus then hopefully that will show in the attendance levels of their class and be addressed with training etc.
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Post by kensei on Mar 2, 2012 13:36:13 GMT
My idea would include things to protect the children from preditory nature of some Schmucks and also the ladies.
I hate to say it but...and dont tell anyone I said this...some karate instructors are walking johnsons! I have been told first hand stories about instructors who tell ladies if they dont play they dont get to test for Shodan.....Personally I would sue the Putz or at the least tell his WIFE!
We have all seen other instances on several occasions when instructors act like morons and drunken asses....and in times and places when its not appropriate.
I mean when I turned 20 ( and a key point is that 18 is the legal drinking age in Canada) my instructor had me over for a drink with some of the guys....and we have become very close friends ( I think of him as a father) and we have had many occasion to have a drink or two....but he actually told me he waited till I was old enough in his mind to have a drink with his instructor.
He had the respect and high morals to wait till I was well past the legal age to even consider having me over for a beer after class! And always with his family or with a bunch of us. I have a tone of respect for him and we have tied a few on together and he has never gone past the point of being anything but a gentleman when ladies were around.
I have however seen instructors over go the levels of booze and hit on young ladies from thier dojo, hit on waitresses and acted like 18 year olds in crowds with young children from their clubs in them (at BBQ's ext) and each time I have felt sick! And my instructor (when present) had left with me upset!
The code of conduct is all about not embarassing yourself, getting your club or organization in hot water or making an ass of all of us who, with pride, strap on a black belt over our white PJ's and yelp like kiddies while dancing about like crazy people!
in all seriousness, the morons need a code of conduct to let them know WHY they are being given the boot half the time!
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Post by Bob Davis on Mar 2, 2012 14:15:32 GMT
No, what you need is to not put them in charge of a dojo in the first place (just my opinion) To get to that stage they should probably have been with you 5-7 years already, it should be apparent by that time if they are a total d*ck or not and a suitable person to run a club. Qualifying as a Shodan SHOULDN'T automatically qualify you to be an instructor in sole charge of a club (IMHO again ). Isn't this part of the point of an association, to make these calls and support those who are suitable, rather than (as I said earlier) "get out there and earn us some money, if you make us look bad down the line then we'll drop you"
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Post by malk103 on Mar 2, 2012 14:49:09 GMT
I suspect some idiots don't act like idiots until after they have been entrusted with Shodan rank or a position of an instructor....
It's a shame Karate isn't more Military like because then ranks can be taken away. I suppose the club can remove them as instructors for inappropriate behaviour but it would have to be an actual fault/incident rather than just acting like an idiot - other words are available....
Hope it goes well and you can sort them out, it sounds like they haven't learnt anything about Karate other than performing the moves?
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