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Post by fujicolt on Sept 27, 2010 1:44:44 GMT
Just as a matter of interest how many of you have to work to a pre-defined grading syllabus - meaning you know exactly what you are required to perform for each grading?
thanks in advance
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Post by genkaimade on Sept 27, 2010 8:23:36 GMT
I wouldn't say that I know exactly, but I can guess without any real difficulty (well up to where I am anyway). It usually consists of various bits of kihon up and down the hall (for me I'm guessing that it will be mainly things like sanbonski, rengeri, back leg kikomi etc), followed by the kumite that is relevant to the grade (jiyu ippon for me), and then the relevant kata for the grade (so tekki shodan).
We do also do a sort of "mock grading" normally about a month before as a way of filtering out people who are totally not ready/haven't been training.
Hope that helps!
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Post by Bob Davis on Sept 27, 2010 9:30:20 GMT
We have a published grading syllabus for all grades up to Nidan.
All kyu gradings follow the syllabus pretty closely but for a dan grading it's more a case of it being a guide, you'd better be sure you know everything on your syllabus (which is just an extension of everything you've done through the kyu grades anyway so you should) but you will have a number of random things thrown at you on the day.
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Post by grunners4 on Sept 27, 2010 13:38:49 GMT
Like Bob, pretty much up to shodan -syllabus is about 95% set. From shodan up, more is expected in terms of application, so here the examiner can throw things at you to see how you deal with them, specifically if the grading takes place after a gasshuku or seminar where certain aspects have been focused on.
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Post by kensei on Dec 30, 2010 17:11:15 GMT
We follow a published grading sylabus, however....we also add to the testing pretty randomly...not by choice the Technical Director for our group pipes up during testing and does things like tells me not to call out specific moves or adds a requirement. Our Shodan testing and up is done by the JKA instructors so we have no say in what we have to do.
Personally the harder the testing the better and left to my own devices my students would be run through all the basics and Katas up to their level every test. Why waiver and make a testing easier...its a goal not a Gimme!
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Post by fujicolt on Dec 31, 2010 22:31:15 GMT
do you include any close quarter work or impact stuff?
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Post by kensei on Jan 1, 2011 2:27:49 GMT
do you include any close quarter work or impact stuff? Not in testing, but in training we do. I would say that the use of impact training and bag work leads to better form and technique that can be shown in sparring...hopefully with more control The close in stuff, not enough! I do alot of grappling things with students when I teach a seminar but over all we stick to the JKA stuff in regular classes. Thats why the chief instructor likes when I teach for him, his students are always having fun twisting eachothers joints ext!
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Post by fujicolt on Jan 1, 2011 3:43:49 GMT
twould be nice to get you over for one of the friendship courses James but i have booked this years guests already.
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Post by kensei on Jan 1, 2011 20:51:00 GMT
twould be nice to get you over for one of the friendship courses James but i have booked this years guests already. I would love to travel to England and Wales, my fathers side is Welsh (moms is Russian...thus the fun loving side and the serious and nasty side). We will chat, would be fun and interesting.
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Post by fujicolt on Jan 2, 2011 23:38:45 GMT
the welsh 'serious and nasty' never !
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Post by kensei on Jan 3, 2011 1:38:25 GMT
the welsh 'serious and nasty' never ! wrote that wrong.. the Fun loving side is the welsh side....dont tell my mum I called her serious or nasty! She might make me cry!
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Post by superjock on Jan 31, 2011 2:30:02 GMT
I am heading towards a 'you'll be graded on what we have been working on line' leaves it open and lets us train without the tramlines. If there is an article in me this is what it'll be on. Gradings get in the way of our training. How can you periodise your training if you have to stick to a syllabus? Sure we have the core basics both static and moving and kata, but the emphasis of what we are working changes from time to time I am currently working on ground work and locks. Or at least how to get up of the ground and not win the wrestling match. Where does this fit into a march up and down grading syllabus? Doesn't so we have to come off it (which leaves it half assed) and concentrate on the marchy stuff. My club is evolving..........into what I don't know yet. In phase 1 of planning stage define what you want to achieve then.............................................
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Post by fujicolt on Jan 31, 2011 4:03:42 GMT
sounds very interesting and sensible to me Andrew. I think of it like this; if competency in all elements of karate were represented by the alphabet it would look like this: ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ and this competence is aimed at the Karateka being able to - when required - put them together to make correctly formed words and this represents the ability to come up with a solution that would achieve the result of defending oneself. therefore it may (for example) come out as 'I kicked him in the nuts and thus got away from the armed mugger safely' I hope you get my drift. so why oh why set a syllabus that only requires competence in: AEIOUSDTY Now I am not suggesting that AEIOU SDTY are not important - they clearly are very important - but even with a thorough understanding of the English language they are only useful in a fraction of the situations where they can be compiled to create a Word and sentence. with an understanding of the full alphabet the Karateka has the potential to create any WORD required. With even detailed knowledge and proficiency in the possible WORD compiling from AEIOU SDTY the karateka would have a very limited vocabulary. It is my opinion that there are many Shotokan dojo that only 'study' AEIOU SDTY to any real degree. they have a knowledge of maybe BFHKLPQR that they look at occasionally but to no real depth and they are oblivious to CGJMNVWXZ Yet they claim to teach and grade people in a Martial Art/Self Defence system Some will claim 'the whole alphabet is in the Kata' - well it just is not i'm afraid. only by progressively and systematically teaching the whole alphabet can we ever give students the vocabulary required. it must be grade appropriate and low Kyu grades may only be able to write three or four letter words in short simple sentences whereas a 6th Dan should be able to write a novel - that is accepted - but at least they would all be learning the whole alphabet and how to use it! Did I rant on a bit there - sorry but this is an important issue to me.
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Post by superjock on Jan 31, 2011 5:05:12 GMT
You've obviously had a good old think about this Before I dropped my lap top and lost all my files I had a mind map laid out where I had put all the elements that I wanted for my club. It had kata at the centre with all the basics, sparring and drills emenating from it. I chose Gojuryu not because I think it is superior to shotokan but that I wanted to spend more time learning and studying the kata. Having said that we have what I call 'in depth' or study kata and 'breadth' kata (shotokan). I don't want my guys to be style blinkered. We occasionally get visitors from other styles who are sometimes surprised that I know some of their kata (thanks Harry). Also on this mind map/bubble chart was conditioning, stretching basics, drills etc. All tied into one system. I have recognised that my ground work was crap so we are working on that. (This I got from a Richard Amos article years ago, what ever I'm working on they will too.) Hmm might be an article in here somewhere or at least a thread 'What makes a self protection/defence system' Not bad for a 1st dan eh
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Post by fujicolt on Jan 31, 2011 6:53:47 GMT
No Andrew - do it as an article - more detailed and doesn't get hijacked - also remains on the site for future members to read and learn from. get in the shed and start writing now please LOL
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Post by fleur on Jan 31, 2011 7:14:40 GMT
I haven't graded in my new club yet - and I'm not yet sure yet what is expected of me. It appears from the gradings I've seen it's more competance and effiency based than a set syllabus. I must get around to asking if there is anything in particular I need to work on. Cos at the moment I need to work on everything.
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Post by fujicolt on Jan 31, 2011 7:20:17 GMT
I must get around to asking if there is anything in particular I need to work on. Cos at the moment I need to work on everything. Hold onto that 'moment' and attitude Fleur and you'll have a Karate career of constant improvement - which is nice
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Post by superjock on Jan 31, 2011 8:43:08 GMT
Ah Kaizen constant improvement.
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Post by kensei on Jan 31, 2011 14:11:01 GMT
Got a question for everyone that has been troubling me for a while...and I will try to make this as clear as I can.....why do we do Sanbon Kumite at junior level?
As some of you know I am re-writing our testing curriculum right now and I happened to have noticed this error. I saw that we use Ippon Kumite higher up and Semi Free even higher...
However, we always talk about how Karate should be ballanced, and that to me means we do the same amount of defense and attacks on each side....so why not four step or six step?
I know it sounds funny or petty but seriously give it a think!
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Post by shinzan on Jan 31, 2011 15:53:36 GMT
Hi Kensei. We practise kihon 4 and 6 step at our club for the reasons you have outlined. Also the kumite we practise with 4 and 6 step is great too.
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Post by shinzan on Jan 31, 2011 16:04:02 GMT
Hi Kensei. We practise kihon 4 and 6 step at our club for the reasons you have outlined. Also the kumite we practise with 4 and 6 step is great too.
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Post by fujicolt on Feb 1, 2011 14:08:50 GMT
we dealt with this issue some time ago Kensei we kave four and six step kumite and kumite where the person blocking is the one stepping forward, we also have introduced diagonal stepping procedures into basic kumite formats.
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Post by kensei on Feb 1, 2011 15:12:30 GMT
we dealt with this issue some time ago Kensei we kave four and six step kumite and kumite where the person blocking is the one stepping forward, we also have introduced diagonal stepping procedures into basic kumite formats. I must have missed this, Aslo....do you do this in Testing or just training. I always did what the JKA did, but recently I have been looking at WHY more than WHAT when it comes to Karate.
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Post by fujicolt on Feb 1, 2011 18:26:56 GMT
Both - the formats are formalised and consistent so everyone nows the fundamental process and can introduce techniques to suit. even the JKA have just introduced a new kumite format.
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Post by kensei on Feb 2, 2011 19:10:27 GMT
Do tell, I have yet to train with Tanaka Sensei again for a while. so I hope come August they introduce this to us. But a quick note on the subject might help me along
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Post by fujicolt on Feb 2, 2011 19:19:01 GMT
i assume it is meant to bridge the gap between Kihon Ippon and Ju Ippon Kumite but i personally think it is poorly designed very stilted and formalised and every time i have seen it the students seem unsure and confused by it - but in fairness tis new. fundamentally they begin in a Kamae guard position - shuffle forward 3 times and attack (jodan for example) but the technique is left extended whilst the UKE blocks and counters also in Kihon Ippon form. that is off course a very brief description but i don't like it at all and think our formats are better - but then i am biased!
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Post by kensei on Feb 3, 2011 14:33:29 GMT
i assume it is meant to bridge the gap between Kihon Ippon and Ju Ippon Kumite but i personally think it is poorly designed very stilted and formalised and every time i have seen it the students seem unsure and confused by it - but in fairness tis new. fundamentally they begin in a Kamae guard position - shuffle forward 3 times and attack (jodan for example) but the technique is left extended whilst the UKE blocks and counters also in Kihon Ippon form. that is off course a very brief description but i don't like it at all and think our formats are better - but then i am biased! LMAO, this is not anything new. We started doing this in the 80's with Yaguchi Sensei. The whole thing was pretty much abandoned when we "Could not get it" and basically only done when he came up to train. I agree....most people can not get the idea behind it...and for me even when I manage to get it...my partner does not and it is kind of like trying to dance with a bd partner!
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