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Post by malk103 on Apr 20, 2012 20:17:43 GMT
Just found myself watching a long clip where a big guy, ex fighter, MMA etc went to try out Aikido and was very impressed with the moves - some of which he initially disbelieved would work.
I'm not about to jump ship but think it might be interesting to learn a bit more, I did notice a couple of principles/techniques that I have seen in Shotokan SD so was also wondering how much of an over-lap there is between the full Shotokan and some of the other MA's
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Post by jimlukelkc on Apr 21, 2012 9:43:59 GMT
I have Mal. I studied Aikido for a number of years alongside my Shotokan training. I found the main benefits, for me , to be improved posture and it enhanced my ability to relax. Aikido`s roots are with Jujitsu type arts and so there are always going to be similarities in technique to be found in Kata especially. I also found it particularly useful in teaching angles of attack, leverage and tai-sabaki. The criticism most people have of Aikido, and it is a legitimate one, is that it is not immediately acessible and requires level of competence above most martial arts before it is effective for self-defence and there is little or no emphasis on atemi. This is in contrast to, for instance , Karate, where a punch is fairly easy to understand and immediately apply. My advice is get what you can from it. I found it fascinating and great fun Mal so go for it
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Post by guyakuzuki on Apr 21, 2012 11:31:34 GMT
Just found myself watching a long clip where a big guy, ex fighter, MMA etc went to try out Aikido and was very impressed with the moves - some of which he initially disbelieved would work. I'm not about to jump ship but think it might be interesting to learn a bit more, I did notice a couple of principles/techniques that I have seen in Shotokan SD so was also wondering how much of an over-lap there is between the full Shotokan and some of the other MA's maybe it's this video you mean ?? it's a program with Nicholas Pettas,kyokushin fighter(and uchi deshi with sosai Oyama)and ex-K1 fighter: www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs4gTZjSqJc
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Post by malk103 on Apr 21, 2012 20:25:47 GMT
That's the chap! Watched another tonight about his return to the roots of Karate to understand it more as when he started out he only wanted to learn to fight. www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLibKL7OzDY&feature=relatedI will get along to an Aikido lesson soon and will also look for others of different styles to enhance my own learning, in theory we are all on different paths leading to the same destination or in the same direction?
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Post by kensei on May 7, 2012 12:01:30 GMT
Few quick quibs now that I am back from vacation, I did Aikido for six months many years back and quit when they brought an instructor in from Toronto who said he could defend himself in any situation. Then grabbed me to demonstrate his point. He was about my height but a bit older and a bit smaller. He asked me to rush at him and punch him...and I did..and it probably hurt alot! After he recovered and lectured me on not hitting so hard (I almost pee'd myself) he wanted to demonstrate a throw that he was going to teach, but I did not "let him" throw me. He tried like eight times, very sad actually, he turned red and then lectured me on "flowing with the opponent" and I basically did a silly break fall on his next attempt to please him and then after class told the instructor (my instructor at the time) that I was done if that was the highest skilled person that Canada had with Aikido. Now I did this all while training in Karate and AFTER I got my shodan in Judo. My understanding is that the bloke that taught me Aikido is now doing Shito ryu Karate after a few more years of putting up with useless skills that did not work. Not saying all Aikido is bad, but from what I have seen their are skilled aikidoka and then the rest.
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Post by malk103 on May 7, 2012 19:38:32 GMT
I certainly get the impression that it's something you would have to study and practice for a long time before you would be effective, similar to Karate I suppose. Thanks for the info.
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Post by kensei on May 8, 2012 12:08:48 GMT
If you want an effective grappling art, my suggestion is Judo, sambo or some BJJ. Aikido, much like Tai Chi, takes a life time to master and before you get good...you are pretty much useless and the chance of finding someone good enough to make you good is slim from what I have seen!
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Post by th0mas on May 9, 2012 17:34:06 GMT
I went to an Aikido session whilst at University. I only stuck it for one session because I fell out with the "class bully".
...YES unbelievably even in Aikido you get them.
I would get repeatedly punched in the nose by this plonker when having to slowly attack with an extremely compliant weird overhand Shuto-Uchi.
Naturally I complained... and was told (by prat-with-serious-fighting-face) that it was my fault due to my poor KOGEKI and he advised me about the importance of keeping a good guard when attacking. I made some comment a long the lines of...
"yes, keeping-it-real was very important when slowly and gently attacking someone in th3 St33t".
The concept of irony was completely lost on Mr-ultimate-weapon. ... suffice to say, my solution was very similar to James'.
I wasn't invited back again.
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Post by kensei on May 9, 2012 20:17:17 GMT
you know, wearing a black belt in any style does not stop you from being a complete idiot! Thats why I learned to think twice before not saying anything at all....okay, the wife taught me that.
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Post by elmar on May 18, 2012 20:07:53 GMT
All aikido is not the same! There is the "blend with the universe" type, there is the Japanese Police force type, and there are interesting blends between the 2. It all depends on your instructor and style. I learned from a Nishio-style aikido teacher, and part of their basics was essentially karate! They had a set of small kata with punches, kicks, etc. in it so that people could actually really attack. And every attack that was primarily a grab included a punch (or the threat of one) with the other hand. Here it was that I really learned the "rule #1" - don't get hit. That said, learning any kind of aikido is useful in order to expand you collection of "kihon", just as learning any level of judo is. You need all 3 sets of kihon (punch/kick, throw and unbalance/lock) in order to make the kata make sense. So learn some aikido just for the techniques, but don't use it in order to prove that it doesn't work; that attitude won't help you in your karate.
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Post by dek1 on May 20, 2012 20:20:01 GMT
The prison service use certain aspects of Akido for the control and restraint prisoners and I have found the techniques very usefull but could not comment on Akido as a martial art.
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Post by jimlukelkc on May 22, 2012 8:59:35 GMT
Aikido taught me the value of relaxation, a better understanding of mai-ai and the difference between irimi and tenkan. It gave me a much better ability to use my opponents force against him than Judo ever did. There is no style better than another. It is like music, there is only good music and bad music. Good MA and bad.
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Post by fujicolt on May 23, 2012 20:36:45 GMT
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Post by kensei on May 28, 2012 13:36:24 GMT
I will say that I do believe that some Aikido is very good. However, I have not run into anything that was not already part of my training in Karate or Judo and the Aikido I ran into was very weak!
I look for real world application and the stuff that was being taught simply was not for me. The relaxation training is important but I find that Tai Chi and mokuso training would be far better for over all relaxation.
Again, this is simply my experiences against yours, some of you were much luckier than I was. However...I did find my way back to Judo for a short stint and benefited from that.
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Post by jimlukelkc on May 29, 2012 8:44:20 GMT
James I was fortunate I think, in that I got to train with John Emmerson, Arthur Lockyear and The Mahone brothers. They emphasised realism and lessons were learned through painful application. I never encountered weakness from them that`s for sure ! I have seen Aikido demonstrated badly and seen uke basicly throw themselves but never from the above, all of whom could fling me around like an empty gi ( and I am no lightweight!)
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Post by kensei on May 29, 2012 17:38:00 GMT
Jim,
I have seen bad MA demos, from all different kinds of MA people (Karate included) however I have been through the horrible Aikido club here and felt like it was all play. I am sure that their are good and great instructors and Aikido does work as a SD based art if done right...just saying my experience has been...well weak to be frank.
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