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Post by garage on May 19, 2013 13:08:20 GMT
I have seen another advert that says you can lose weight doing karate.
I have a problem putting on weight so I was looking on the internet.
To burn fat you need to do this aerobicaly with the presents of oxygen otherwise you break down gycogen and form lactic acid and reduce muscle.
So what is the easiest way of measuring if you are training aerobic and burning fat is to use a heart monitor.
220 - your age is you max heart rate and you need to be about 65% to burn fat.
So off I went to the car boot and spend £4 off someone it hadn't worked for, still in the box.
So went strapped in round the chest and started training. Whilst karate training do I spend much time in the aerobic zone?
Most of the time I am below or I have gone anoebic and I am forming lactic acid ready to ache next day, and burning muscle not fat.
Try a heart monitor, do you think karate helps weightloss?
My conclusion a bit, but there are more effective ways of training for this. The red green amber flashing heart is really entertaining.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 18:40:38 GMT
You can lose weight doing karate, trouble is the stuff you eat when not doing karate!
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Post by D.Ram on May 20, 2013 8:18:44 GMT
I second Allan - any aerobic/anaerobic exercise needs to be supplemented by a very strict and practical diet regime - then you see the wonders! If you convince yourself that all the exercise you do is justification for a few extra bites, then you'll maintain a good status quo at best  |
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Post by garage on May 21, 2013 9:13:37 GMT
I assume that most people want to lose fat rather than muscle.
According to experimental reseach if you maintain your heart rate in the aerobic zone you will burn fat not muscle. Do this you find that it is a lot easier than karate training as it either below it or above it.
Training in the zone is a lot easier, there is little lactic acid build up and your aerobic efficency improves and you can remove fat and still build muscle.
I tried karate training for 3 years 2 hours day. I would lose 6-8lbs a day and drink it back on.
6 months aerobic and you get a much more effective result with a lot less effort. Karate is as as effective as Special K at fat loss " as part of a calorie controled diet"
Really posting this as I had seen the charts at the gym and only just bothered to read them and moved into the 21st century training methods.
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Post by jimlukelkc on May 21, 2013 10:24:48 GMT
Trouble is most of us start training when we are young and can eat what we like. As we get older we have greater dificulty shifting weight and need to be more savvy about the most efficient way to do this. Meals with a low glycemic index coupled with an exercise regime high in aerobic activity is probably the best way forward.
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Post by malk103 on May 21, 2013 20:50:08 GMT
I suppose some of this is how often and how fast your training sessions are, I have about 70% where I have a good sweat on, a few that I have had to stop and rest to keep my heart rate under 180. I remember one lesson where I was soaked and could hardly walk the next day.
If you train at a slower tempo then you may consider some extra cardio exercise. I bought one of those monitors and started running, it worked really well to keep my heart rate steady until I was fitter to not worry about it.
My problem is that when I train 4 or 5 times a week I eat very well, then if I miss a few lessons or slow down a bit due to injuries then I keep eating at the same rate....
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Post by nathanso on May 21, 2013 22:24:55 GMT
I found that the best way to lose weight and keep it off was to find a really good smartphone app that tracked food intake and exercise and use it to monitor net weekly caloric balance. YMMV.
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Post by Allan Shepherd on May 22, 2013 7:53:48 GMT
Why rely on "modern technology" when all you have to do is listen to your body and look in the mirror every now and then?
Personally I have never had a problem since I am one of those fortunate people who has a good metabolism but it amazes me the number of people I have known that can see their body "increasing" or "decreasing" but do absolutely nothing nothing about it!!
We owe it to ourselves to take care of the one body we get in life.
Best Regards
Allan
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Post by garage on May 22, 2013 12:16:41 GMT
My social life is completely ruined by not being fat. I stand on my own at parties as everyone else talks about there diet that isn't working and how they shouldn't eat something.
No one is going to make an episode of secret eaters about me. Then there are endless programs about excuses for fat people and how we should feel sorry for them. No one feels sorry that I bruise easily because I lack fat. Talk about a double standard.
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Post by dhodge on May 22, 2013 17:43:19 GMT
I train hard so I can eat what I want and drink to excess, yes I have a waistline that could be smaller and could do more to keep the weight down (90kg) but hey ho I am a fat git that can train hard in my martial art run 6 miles three times a week and can cycle till the cows come home. Sorry but too many people are obsessed with their weight.
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Post by malk103 on May 22, 2013 21:17:01 GMT
I was in a supermarket tonight - just threw a jacket over my Gi after giving a lesson - there was a fat (yes there are no other words for it!) women working on the next checkout saying how she was "43" and feeling old, chatting to a couple who were also mid forties.
They sounded like a bunch of pensioners!
I was itching for them to ask me how "old" I was, at 6 foot tall and just under 13 stone - yes - 43!
Some people use age as an excuse....
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Post by nathanso on May 23, 2013 6:45:07 GMT
Why rely on "modern technology" when all you have to do is listen to your body and look in the mirror every now and then? Since much of my work life is based on data collection and analysis, I found this to be a pretty natural thing to do. As a biological scientist, I found it intellectually satisfying to see both the relationship between the net caloric intake and rate of weight loss, and to determine what my steady state calorie requirements were. In any case, I lost 45 pounds over 9 months, and have maintained that weight for over 3 years. |
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Post by jimlukelkc on May 23, 2013 6:53:57 GMT
Sorry lads but the reality is that age is a factor as are genetics. It is easy to make it a simple formula of energy in/work out but human beings are more complex.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 11:13:56 GMT
I was in a supermarket tonight - just threw a jacket over my Gi after giving a lesson - there was a fat (yes there are no other words for it!) women working on the next checkout saying how she was "43" and feeling old, chatting to a couple who were also mid forties. They sounded like a bunch of pensioners! I was itching for them to ask me how "old" I was, at 6 foot tall and just under 13 stone - yes - 43! Some people use age as an excuse.... These sort of people will always find an excuse. |
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Post by nathanso on May 24, 2013 0:18:19 GMT
Sorry lads but the reality is that age is a factor as are genetics. It is easy to make it a simple formula of energy in/work out but human beings are more complex. That is of course correct, but ultimately one can not escape the first law of thermodynamics as applied to bioenergetics. The actual net caloric intake required for maintenance or loss of weight will vary from person to person (and can change somewhat for a variety of reasons, such as when the ratio of muscle to fat changes), but that just means that one needs to figure out for oneself what will work. |
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Post by jimlukelkc on May 24, 2013 6:48:27 GMT
Absolutely Neil! If you overeat and have sedentary life style, don't moan about being fat. Just saying some people will always find it harder to shed weight than others.
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Post by garage on May 25, 2013 3:08:07 GMT
My body thinks the best place to put fat is on my stomach.
So I going down the gym to put on muscle then train karate anaerobicly and burn off gylcogen and have a craving for chocolate all the time to replace the gylcogen I burn.
Thousand sit ups everyday then makes muscle that shows the fat off even better.
When I train I can see weight dropping off my legs and shoulders where I want to keep it and not off my stomach.
Now I train aerobicly using a heart monitor it is unbelievely easy compared to karate, no stiffness or lactic acid which I always crave so I know I have done something, and I do not have to puke as much. The fat has gone along with my fat friends who ostracise me.
I wish someone had explained this years ago..
ON the other hand becuase of Neil I have read the second law of theormodynamics, He mentioned the first so I had to go and read the second and now everything is going to get cold and I am depressed. Don't talk to me about life...
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Post by nathanso on May 25, 2013 3:55:48 GMT
Bert-
Maybe the third law will cheer you up. One can interpret it mean that even though everything may get cold, it at least it will not get down to absolute zero.
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