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Post by garage on Sept 3, 2013 15:44:10 GMT
Sometimes with a headlevel block, I notice that the arm is moved across the body and then lifted utilising the shoulder muscles. As you are perpendicular to the force you are not making the most of the angles.
If you punch upward at angle above your head, you are making a 45' angle and the block then goes back via the hip to the floor and the attack is deflected making use of the angles rather than pure strength.
The first method I would not use if my life depended on it, as sometimes it does.
I can only think that people using the first method have never experimented with it, only tried on smaller people or never used it in anger or have and didn't survive.
I wondered if anyone had any thoughts on this?
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Post by malk103 on Sept 3, 2013 20:59:24 GMT
Age uke against punches is fine to drill up to a certain level but if someone really goes to punch towards my head (and I had time to respond) then I would concentrate on moving my head/body rather than trying to deflect it. In training I have tried an Age uke against a strong punch, the only time I did actually get the timing correct it did nothing but move the punch higher - not high enough!
If I was receiving swinging punches from a drunk then I may be nice on the first couple by using a standard block, or if sparring with Kyu grades maybe as you can normally see them coming. Sorry if i'm sounding big headed here - just that my Kumite training has increased a lot recently.
I tend to think of - and drill - Age uke now as a forearm smash against the throat. This then puts the hikite (other/pulling) hand in as a face push/distraction while the rising arm comes upwards and forewards towards the target. I've always seen the hikite hand as the actual blocker and the rising arm as a response, where it hits depends on your distance.
Hopefully something to think about next time you are in front of a punch bag - "block" it to death.
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Post by nathanso on Sept 4, 2013 6:57:45 GMT
As a basic technique, I was taught that bringing the hand in front of the abdomen and then lifting the arm is simply wrong. I still teach that way. I don't think that it matters if you are doing the technique as a "block: or as an attack like Mal describes.
That said, I think that one rarely if ever actually does a full classical age uke, ude uki, etc., once you get beyond basic X-step kumite.
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Post by kensei on Sept 4, 2013 16:04:48 GMT
Age Uke should be done with the movement of the body away to clear a straight path to blast the attacker, I do not think of it as a block as much as a deflection to allow me an angle to engage the attacker with out bashing fists with them.
to really block my face if a punch is coming I use outside or inside block and more than likely a sliding block as I set up to bash em! Only had to block my face in a fight twice when bouncing and to be frank I never thought of using Age Uke at all.
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Post by th0mas on Sept 5, 2013 9:45:58 GMT
I agree with James..
I don't really use it as a block (outside of formal one-step, three step etc) but as a forearm smash to clear arms or finish to the chin.
Ok, let me clarify that a bit..there are many elements to the agi-uke movement... the crossing of the arms (primary then secondary) is a blocking/trapping technique - the stepping forward and finish with the secondary block - has clear forearm smash implications..
p.s. how long do i have to be posting on the OSS forum for my status to change from "new member"?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 15:04:16 GMT
Well I think we have established it's not a block :-)
Just just an additional note on Hikite.
Hikitie is used to seize the attacker and then pull them onto your forearm smash, this increases it's effect, and has the added advantage of meaning (if you have seized their arm) they can't hit you with it.
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Post by Allan Shepherd on Sept 5, 2013 15:37:34 GMT
Hi Tom
Seems the mods and administrators have escaped the new member title!!
Best Regards Allan
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Post by kensei on Sept 5, 2013 19:14:04 GMT
I will check on it, but I think their are only guest, admin and new member....But I will check. sorry guys
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Post by Bob Davis on Sept 7, 2013 20:38:13 GMT
Ok, appear to have found out how to change the "New Member" thing. Trying not to divert this thread I will start a new one in a more appropriate location.
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Post by th0mas on Sept 11, 2013 6:03:06 GMT
Well I think we have established it's not a block :-) Just just an additional note on Hikite. Hikitie is used to seize the attacker and then pull them onto your forearm smash, this increases it's effect, and has the added advantage of meaning (if you have seized their arm) they can't hit you with it. Hi Paul Absolutely.
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Post by kensei on Sept 11, 2013 12:29:08 GMT
I often teach the technique as a preemble to a joint lock or throw. However, I also think its a great way to teach Hikite to juniors, but I often warm seniors against using it as it limits your responses. For pure Self defense, the hikite hand being used to draw down after grasping a wrist and the blocking arm used to smash at the elbow, good way to destroy an arm, then twist of the hip and its a shoulder throw with a guy that has a damaged arm...a thing of beauty!
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