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Post by dhodge on Jan 16, 2014 19:16:04 GMT
As the title says what is your honest opinions on Ju-jitsu as a martial art and an effective self defence system?
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Post by Bob Davis on Jan 16, 2014 20:44:29 GMT
The traditional Japanese Ju-Jitsu that I studied for a while some 25+ years ago seemed to me (at the time) as a good solid practical art, a combination of kicks, strikes, punches, locks, breaks, throws and take downs and trained in a straight forward and pragmatic way.
The modern Ju-jitsu that I've recently taken up, and to be fair I've only been at it a very short time, seems to be (despite it's claims to be the ultimate "street" art) a very much watered down, sport orientated and not particularly realistic self defence art, however, it serves the purpose for which I'm doing it at present.
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Post by kensei on Jan 17, 2014 13:08:42 GMT
Modern Japanese Ju Jitsu seems to me to be a diluted form of weak Aikido mixed with horrible Tae Kwon Do. At least in our area. The whole movement in Canada seems to be pushing or marketing that they were the inventors of BJJ, which is BS so to be frank, I would rather see students take up Judo and Karate and try to mix them or BJJ and Karate and try to find common ground. JJJ is just a empty shell of itself. and the self promotion is out of control. One guy here in Canada was a TKD black belt and a Hapkido black belt and then studied JJJ for a few years and was going around saying he was a 9th Dan! Horrible.
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Post by jimlukelkc on Jan 18, 2014 17:17:09 GMT
Not studied Jujitsu for around 10 years but anyone visiting the North-east should look up Brian Ford. Pragmatic, no-nonsense training with realism emphasised and insisted upon.
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Post by kensei on Jan 20, 2014 13:08:06 GMT
Strange how life works out this way. Had a young lad from Australia come out to class a few weeks back who was a Ikkyu in Jujitsu in Australia. he felt it necessary to demonstrate on some of his buddies that had brought him to show his skills.....Horrible! I was agast and kind of commented to his friend, a student, "wow, he paid to learn that?".
I think Jujitsu is not completely free of fairtail and bad instruction. Granted, I have seen some legit stuff on youtube so I promise not to judge all by what I saw.
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Post by D.Ram on Jan 24, 2014 4:04:06 GMT
My only source of knowledge is BJJ videos on YouTube, but based on that, I felt it would be a good "addition" to a karateka's repertoire of skills. Donnie Yen, in Flashpoint, mixes both these quite effectively: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C_nssjVrSo______________ The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
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Post by gazrichards on Jan 24, 2014 9:12:59 GMT
I train in bjj/judo to supplement my karate. I've done a bit of Japanese ju jitsu and it really depended on the instructor as to how good it was. 2 clubs local to me and one just seems to do break falls and mat etiquette all night and the other start messing about with bokken!
Bjj is a game/sport and as a self defence is pretty rubbish IMHO, but then so is traditional jka karate (especially the way some of the guys local to me teach it) The training is great though as you can to go full on in every sparring session which isn't really feasible in karate or striking arts. I also like to know I have a little knowledge of ground fighting tactics in my repertoire for when you get asked the question in class or for when you may need it in real situations.
I even teach some grappling and anti grappling drills in my karate classes and I have found a few bunkai which I feel are grappling techniques.
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Post by tomobrien1 on Jan 27, 2014 3:07:37 GMT
Doesn't it always come down to the instructor & the instruction?
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Post by kensei on Jan 27, 2014 15:43:45 GMT
I have watched and studied BJJ from Gracie Barra and also from the Gracie Academy now and I have to say they both have great strengths, the one GLARING thing that I can say about both is that they totally overlook the effectiveness of stand up fighting and almost completelly focus on getting a fight to the ground to a fault.
When I used to bounce we used to say that if you HAD to go to the ground you already failed. I have seen way to many bouncers stomped on becaues they bring it to the floor. The point being that you need stand up and only have to learn defense on the ground and how to get back up in 99% of the fights I have personally seen. Going to the floor when you have more than one person fighting you is DANGEROUS.
We do a drill at the dojo that shows this, two on one fighting, and if you turn your back to one of the attackers they kick you in the pants, if you go to the floor with one attacker then you get sat on by both! Its funny, but the drills show that the Gracie approach is a one on one sport is fine, but if you have paved...or in our case hardwood floors to contend with you want to stand up all the time!
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Post by tomobrien1 on Feb 4, 2014 2:05:42 GMT
I agree James! BJJ is all the rage & everyone wants to do it. I have some BJJ guys coming in to train us all the time. I actually love it. But for SD I agree with you. You gotta stay on your feet. By learning BJJ it makes it easier to accomplish that. A good TDD negates most of the takedowns. Most of the fights in the cage/octagon are being won with a good stand up game, boxing is becoming more dominant.
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Post by kensei on Feb 4, 2014 15:18:02 GMT
it goes in cycles, first BJJ was the thing to study, then wrestling and then kick boxing/striking. Now the other thing that everyone has to rember is that MMA is a SPORT and in sport they have rules, in a club they have rules too...on the street...well I fighter dirty and you wont have a chance to slap a choke on me before I poke your eyes out or nail you in the yam sack!
Truth is good martial arts are taught by good martial artists no matter what the style, but it has to be done with reality in mind and safety first! But an awairness that dirty fighting wins street fights, not fancy moves!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2014 16:01:46 GMT
Ju-Jitsu seems, like Aikido, to lost most of it’s atemi, and concentrates on joint-locks, throws, takedowns, strangles, ground work.
When it comes to self defence however, atemi needs to be your main focus. If during an altercation a throw or a joint lock presents itself, great take it, but you shouldn’t go looking for these things, they are just back up to your main arsenal, which in civilian SD is striking.
On the plus side it teaches you to work with an opponent’s force, rather than trying to work against it, so it will obviously suit some people better.
As for BJJ, well that’s not JJ, it’s actually Brazilian Judo. And a ground fighting system in self defence is about as useful as table tennis lessons. Triangle choke someone n the dojo and they’ll tap, triangle choke someone outside the chip shop on a Saturday night and his mates will use your head as a football.
When it comes to SD, your ground fighting skills should revolve around getting back on your feet as quickly as possible, not rolling around on the floor looking for ankle locks.
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Post by johnnewman on Sept 10, 2020 19:33:21 GMT
Not studied Jujitsu for around 10 years but anyone visiting the North-east should look up Brian Ford. Pragmatic, no-nonsense training with realism emphasised and insisted upon. Well there are some of us who think the value of this game is nothing. While this game has changed a lot for us. I was struggling with some mental trauma and depression a couple of years ago. It helped me get out of it and it has stayed with me till the day. AS far as physical ability is a concern, I was able to lose 16 pounds in 4 months. There should be a respect manner for every sport out there.
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Post by johnnewman on Oct 1, 2020 17:11:44 GMT
I dont think so there is any other better game than Brazilian Jui Jitsu
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