Spider sense

[garage]

In the thread there are no blocks in Karate there is a video where the person quotes Funkoshi then laughs when he says " how would he know the person was behind using your spider sense?"

So make your mind if you are quoting Funkoshi lets not be selective, in his autobiography, funkoshi invites his students to attack at anytime so he can use his spider sense. So we are we saying Funkoshi is a fruitcake and dismissing him in one breath and using him to justify stuff in another.

The uysheba from Aikido also describes knowing what a person is going to do. Nijitsu also gives exercises to develop your spider senses.

Knowing this may change how you view what they are trying to pass down. If your not a fruitcake you may not understand there view point?

[kensei]

I think you can develop your intuition. I often tell students I am sparring with to "pick a different attack" after I figured they were going to kick or punch and tell them I knew what they were going to do. Now my "spider senses" are not 100% accurate all the time....if they were I would go to the track and figure out a better way to make a living!

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Jun 26, 2014 13:33:52 GMT garage said:

In the thread there are no blocks in Karate there is a video where the person quotes Funkoshi then laughs when he says " how would he know the person was behind using your spider sense?"

So make your mind if you are quoting Funkoshi lets not be selective, in his autobiography, funkoshi invites his students to attack at anytime so he can use his spider sense. So we are we saying Funkoshi is a fruitcake and dismissing him in one breath and using him to justify stuff in another.

The uysheba from Aikido also describes knowing what a person is going to do. Nijitsu also gives exercises to develop your spider senses.

Knowing this may change how you view what they are trying to pass down. If your not a fruitcake you may not understand there view point?

The point of him saying " how would he know the person was behind using your spider sense?" is not in relation to "sensing what an opponent will attack with", it is in relation to people misreading the movements in Kata and giving them utterly ridiculous meanings. Hence he calls these ridiculous and impractical applications "Spiderman bunkai".

I find it believable that with years of training you can become skilled enough to read body language to predict what attack is coming form someone infront of you that you can see, I am not, and never will be convinced, that someone can sense a right Mae Geri coming from directly behind them, and even if they could, as is explained in the video, why would you try and come forward six feet in order to block a kick that would have missed you anyway?

It's a comment about people misinterpreting Kata, "blocks" and any number of other movements in karate.

[garage]

In Funkoshi book he says he is asleep with his eyes shut and his student is thinking about attacking and he asks him to make up his mind. So clearly this is not reading body language. So funkoshi is suggesting you would know that they are behind you. So would suggest he is practicing based on this belief. So despite it being futile as you "will never be convinced " Funkoshi was convinced. So that if you accept that he may be deluded it might explain why the kata do not make sense.

I also think that if you have a BMI greater than 25 which Funkoshi didn't the way you do things may be different. Funkoshi was about 5' 4" clearly the guy in the video isn't.

I have spend time training blindfold and you are still able to get by. I have also stopped stuff in my sleep conversely I have woken up with a bruised face so it does not always work.

I spend a lot of time in kata with head postion to rotate give maximum field of view, look the opposite way before you turn.

Really there is no answer and it is really good when someone shares their perspective.

[kensei]

I dont believe in ESP or extra strong spider senses here. i think that their was more at play than just him reading a student...he just understood human nature and how this student fit into things.

Also, I see alot of people doing Kata saying "Yah, in a fight when A does B you do C" this is cockypop crapola man. The point of a Kata is to learn techniques and apply them. You wont ever be in a fight with an attacker doing a specific move, but you are getting ready for the event by working hard on specific body dynamics. No one can say, or should say, that a Kata is a blue print for fighting a specific way. You wont ever know how a opponent will react, but you will have some things in your tool box for whent they do!

[daveb]

Strategy Kensei, your game plan is the key!

You are dead right about not being able to predict a fight or pull off set pieces as you learn them in one-step kumite, but if you know what your plan is before the conflict has even begun and how to translate that plan to different levels and types of fight then you have a chance.

Strategy is what I take from kata.

[kensei]

David,

I dont disagree with you at all, in fact I think a lose strategy is very important in fighting. My thoguhts however kind of drive in a slightly more focused direction of "Practice the techniques and see IF you can apply them, but be open to change". for instance if a guy trained in BJJ and practiced "shoot in, take down, possition, submission" and suddenly you have six guys in a fight out back of a bar on concrete...well your strategy just went in the crapper.

Now not to pick on arts like BJJ, if your over all strategy was to block and catch a kick, take out the other leg and stomp a mud hole in him...but the guy is a boxer and never kicks...well strategy out the window again eh!

I think being able to respond to different attacks and react to them with trained natural moves (Repetition makes ready) is the key of training in Karate. Do the kata to learn options, kumite to set those options mentally and physiologically in your body/mind then react to the attacks.

It happens in boxing and MMA stuff, when they train they dont block really, they put arms in the way of the kick/punch and then try to counter. The problem is in the streets we dont wear gloves and often we have steel toe or hard boots.....training not to just cover up and to react will help save you more than just fighting with rules ext.

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Jul 9, 2014 10:16:30 GMT garage said:

I have also stopped stuff in my sleep