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Post by jimlukelkc on Jul 19, 2014 9:52:39 GMT
I nicked this from Mike Turbit at "team blackbelt " blogspot. Any thoughts on the subject?
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Post by daveb on Jul 19, 2014 15:09:04 GMT
Everything is relative. It depends on the type of training, the type of student and their goals.
Can you give any more detail?
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Post by jimlukelkc on Jul 20, 2014 18:07:11 GMT
Well Dave the gist of the blog was that we are all guilty of harking back to the days when training would often be pushing yourself or students to and often beyond your limits. When we would hit each other ( hard ) and it was accepted that only the dedicated, tough and persistent would last the course.
He was asking if this was productive in equipping perhaps the less tough students; arguably the very people who need to develop self defence skills, or did this type of training only serve to alienate them ?
I just thought this might stimulate discussion ?
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Post by daveb on Jul 21, 2014 0:35:23 GMT
Alienate, without a doubt.
Macho training environments have their place, but for those who willingly sign up to them. By Brown belt that should be everyone, but you have to bring folks up to that place of being comfortable hitting and being hit.
Nurture the sapling into an oak before testing the strength of the wood.
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Post by jimlukelkc on Jul 21, 2014 11:10:56 GMT
Well Dave the gist of the blog was that we are all guilty of harking back to the days when training would often be pushing yourself or students to and often beyond your limits. When we would hit each other ( hard ) and it was accepted that only the dedicated, tough and persistent would last the course.
He was asking if this was productive in equipping perhaps the less tough students; arguably the very people who need to develop self defence skills, or did this type of training only serve to alienate them ?
I just thought this might stimulate discussion ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 12:39:59 GMT
Everyone trains for different reasons. Some people just train as it is a more interesting way to keep fit than going to the gym. If you make those people endure the sort of brutal training that was common place in the 70's then they will leave.
If you have two students that want that, ok let them do it with each other.
Other people come for competition, they like kata competition and winning plastic trophies, should hey be forced to let the the 18 stone meathead knock his teeth out if he wants to keep training?
Also, at the end of the day, that sort of brutal training is totally unnecessary, you only need to overpower people with brute force if you don't know any better.
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Post by Bob Davis on Jul 21, 2014 13:01:52 GMT
My feeling is (and I know this sounds like a bit of a cop out) is that you need a bit of both. I have trained in dojo's back in the late 70's where I've had to leave to throw up and then return. I've come home from training with multiple "duck eggs" or had to splint and compress injuries just to be able to make it to work the next day. I have to say that I do miss these days to a certain extent BUT I expect the fondness of the memories would not reflect the reality of how I felt about it if it was happening now (particularly with carrying another 35 years of wear and tear  ). However the world has moved on and this is not an environment for the feint hearted (not a criticism). These are the people who would most benefit from the physical and mental benefits of regular training and they just wouldn't stay the course under "old school" training so I can understand the need to tone everything down a bit but (and it is a big BUT) I don't think we do students any favours by not also putting them through the mill from time to time and stressing them both physically and mentally (although you need to build up to this). Regular training can slowly build a level of confidence, which is a good thing, however this needs to be tempered occasionally with a bit of a reality check otherwise it comes as a hell of a shock the first time someone hits you (insert my usual 1st kyu story here  ). All this is on the assumption that the student is there because they want to learn to "defend" themselves. I'm very much coming to the opinion these days that, despite paying lip service to it if asked, that is not the reason that most students train these days and Karate is just "something you do" (learn the dances, get the belts, move on). |
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). All this is on the assumption that the student is there because they want to learn to "defend" themselves. I'm very much coming to the opinion these days that, despite paying lip service to it if asked, that is not the reason that most students train these days and Karate is just "something you do" (learn the dances, get the belts, move on).