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Post by guyakuzuki on Dec 30, 2010 7:15:40 GMT
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Post by jimlukelkc on Dec 30, 2010 20:10:28 GMT
Machida is interesting to watch, take note of the shotokan style kicks. Most mma practitioners are used to fighting tai/kick boxers and a signature of their kicks is an initial small step forward before launching the kick. Machida is able, like most Shotokan stylists to kick immediately from front or back leg and this often catches his opponents " on the hop ".
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Post by tomobrien on Dec 31, 2010 3:45:10 GMT
I have loved Machida since he first started in the UFC. Thanks for the vids.
Tom
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Post by guyakuzuki on Dec 31, 2010 7:27:34 GMT
I have loved Machida since he first started in the UFC. Thanks for the vids. Tom you're welcome sir.I always look forward to see him fight in the UFC too. A question which came up watching these vids:do you practice mawashi geri gedan in your dojo ? I noticed throughout the years that you don't see this kick practiced very often(I never seen it practiced it on shotokan courses for ex.)although it's a great tool (I practiced kyokushin too and it is common to practice or execute this kick apart from other gedan kicks).Besides that you also need to know how to block this kick.(after my first training sessions in KK I couldn't walk the next day ;D ).check out this vid for ex. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt6ri20IFsYI hear some shotokan practitioners saying:well if you can kick jodan,you surely can kick gedan which imop isn't totally true .I even once heard a higher ranked dan grade saying:I just turn my knee out and block it with my knee? ? I have a sensei who is very open minded karateka so we try to incorporate these kicks(apart from other stuff)into our training. What are your thoughts and do you practice these kicks often ?
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Post by Paul Bedard on Dec 31, 2010 20:40:16 GMT
Leg kicking, is something that we should all be including in our training regimen! I believe that it was in Karate Kid part three that the saying by the character played by Thomas Ian Griffiths was `If your opponents can`t stand, he can`t fight`. Most don`t train to absorb leg kicks so they can be very devastating!! This is a good one for using the instep & striking your opponent just above the knee. the goal of course to seriously bruise the knee, but to also destroy his balance, for example outside leg kicking turning his knee to the inside. the biggest mistake that I see, in leg kicking and/or sweeps for that matter is the lack of follow through. This is not a finishing technique, but one to `make chance` follow through & finish him! Practice this with a kicking shield as your partner holds the pad against his leg while in stance. during impact he should be pressing into the kick. one course that I took years ago had leg kicking as an integral part of the program. If you couldn`t evade the kick, then press into it, this contracts the muscles & makes them less likely to be damaged. Much like when blocking , say soto ude uke against a strong puncher. If your fist is relaxed the block can have the forearm hurting like `ouch`. Clench the fist on impact & it is much better to absorb the impact. Same thing when wearing a leg kick, if you can`t get away from it, then go into it!! Osu Paul B
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Post by fujicolt on Dec 31, 2010 22:18:13 GMT
er clearly haven't been to any of my courses (yet I hope) i have for years been trying to get people to understand that even though rarely taught shotokan IS a very good close quarter MA - tas saved my neck on many occasions I love Machida but would have to say that from what i have seen he was only ever a journeyman Kumite competitor but he just knew how to use those skills superbly in MMA etc = brilliant. as i have said elsewhere imagine if the likes of Brennan, Hall, Roberts and Donovan -as examples - had entered the UFC scene
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Post by guyakuzuki on Jan 1, 2011 6:51:46 GMT
er clearly haven't been to any of my courses (yet I hope) i have for years been trying to get people to understand that even though rarely taught shotokan IS a very good close quarter MA - tas saved my neck on many occasions I love Machida but would have to say that from what i have seen he was only ever a journeyman Kumite competitor but he just knew how to use those skills superbly in MMA etc = brilliant. as i have said elsewhere imagine if the likes of Brennan, Hall, Roberts and Donovan -as examples - had entered the UFC scene no I haven't been to one of your courses Steve and your right in saying that shotokan is a very good CQ MA(it was "designed for that no ?) I'm sure that Brennan sensei and the others you named would be outstanding UFC fighters too @paul:Imop I think it's worth practicing these kicks indeed.May I add this ?Another beginner's mistake often made is the angle of impact on the thigh(or knee ).Difficult to explain here but the kick has to come in a downward "cutting motion" on the opponent's leg . This video is an example of the Kyokush. mawashi geri gedan: www.youtube.com/watch?v=cetBNla2FWU
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Post by fujicolt on Jan 1, 2011 7:56:03 GMT
I have a video of the brilliant Steve Morris doing a class on exactly how to use this kick. if someone helps me i'll try and post it for yer. steve's dvds are cheap and full of great stuff.
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Post by kensei on Jan 1, 2011 21:04:34 GMT
I am a UFC NUT, my daughter and I watch this alot and I try to see the holes in the fighting. First off, if I was younger (being 40 is about the cut off for 99% of the UFC athletes) I would actually try to do a amature fight or two. Machida is cross trained alot and only has a firm foundation in the style at this point. His Thai influence at Black house (his gym) has really influenced alot of his style...IE No blocking just covering up with forearms, his BJJ skills are apparently top notch and he trained with the NOG brothers. However, the fact that the Shotokan "Strategy" he uses works is a good indicater of how some of the better pure shotokan guys would have done. If Tanaka, Brennan and others that were fantastic in traditional Karate were to take up judo, wrestling or BJJ to fill the floor issues they would have been banned from MMA because they would have killed someone!
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Post by fujicolt on Jan 2, 2011 20:49:42 GMT
er clearly haven't been to any of my courses (yet I hope) i have for years been trying to get people to understand that even though rarely taught shotokan IS a very good close quarter MA - tas saved my neck on many occasions I love Machida but would have to say that from what i have seen he was only ever a journeyman Kumite competitor but he just knew how to use those skills superbly in MMA etc = brilliant. as i have said elsewhere imagine if the likes of Brennan, Hall, Roberts and Donovan -as examples - had entered the UFC scene no I haven't been to one of your courses Steve and your right in saying that shotokan is a very good CQ MA(it was "designed for that no ?) I'm sure that Brennan sensei and the others you named would be outstanding UFC fighters too @paul:Imop I think it's worth practicing these kicks indeed.May I add this ?Another beginner's mistake often made is the angle of impact on the thigh(or knee ).Difficult to explain here but the kick has to come in a downward "cutting motion" on the opponent's leg . This video is an example of the Kyokush. mawashi geri gedan: www.youtube.com/watch?v=cetBNla2FWUreferring to the clip: I just don't get his version - the whole thing is full of 'tells' and a broken chain of, rather than a seamless flowing ribbon of body mechanics - and this let your weight distribution be so lacking in control that you end up with your back to the opponent - well not my preferred method to apply or teach.
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