Post by grunners4 on Mar 4, 2011 9:48:14 GMT
As promised a quick review of the session I attended with Rico Hattingh.
Firstly let me say what a pleasure it was to train with guys from another discipline who clearly love their art.
One of my ideals is to constantly learn and add to what I already know and this experience was a prime example of how a basic understanding of other disciplines can add to your karate training.
In a short 2hour period we were only able to really cover about 8 basic situations, from the initial lock up to take downs and then the guard position. And how to deal with both the offensive and defence in these situations.
One of the first crossover lessons I noticed was that even though a larger combatant will have a natural advantage, technique is vital. Correct technique and execution will invariably overcome brute force.
Secondly, for almost every attack there is a defence and reversal, making grappling more of a cerebral chess game than a purely physical endeavour. NOT that it wasn't physical! The amount of sweat shed could have filled a swimming pool!
As mentioned we covered about 8 very basic situations and even in this introductory lesson techniques were discussed that could have been taken from our kata (some directly, others with a little variation).
I need to clarify that neither Rico nor his assistant Juan have either had any training in karate, so they weren't purposefully showing us techniques that could be considered crossover.
Here are just a few:
1) In the initial clinch up (ie standing up each combatant has
one underhook) the point is to try and get two underhooks (basically a bear hug with your arms under your opponent's arms, giving you a good position from which to control any movement). To do this you would use a technique similar to the shihon nukite in Gojushiho sho (JKA). ie sliding you free hand in between your opponents upper arm and chest.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaPPyUnJEDQ
Tito Ortiz video - pummeling similar to Tai Chi 'push hands' drill
www.metacafe.com/watch/2661185/autumn_river_tai_chi_push_hands/
2) Once you have the underhooks, one variation of the double hand grip has the same principle from heian godan's tsukami uke (palm on palm grip after the juji uke - rising x block)
3) Also from heian godan is the rising strike after the empi uchi and augmented block - the rising strike combined with the jump can be seen as a shoulder throw like judo's ippon seionage
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoeSFLNeEPE
4) Dealing with jumps, the jump from Empi can also be a throw while escaping from a headlock or guillotine, similar to Bas Ruttens escape except using the right hand instead of the left hand as Bas does
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtbqRssamvA&feature=fvwrel
5) Finally anyone ever notice how the kimura arm lock resembles kaeshi dori in Bassai sho?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJotiTewRbI&playnext=1&list=PL11E8EF95C46348B6
So that was 5 techniques that even from an introductory grappling session has parallels with karate techniques. Now again I know I might be 'reading' a lot into these and looking for similarities and I don't apologise for that. My core system is karate everything else I learn is in addition to this.
This said if another art contradicts my karate training and is valid I am open to change. Having trained very briefly (ie one session!!!) in Japanese kempo I no longer ascribe to the traditional bunkai for the sequence after the nukite in heian sandan, as I was shown how dangerous it is use this escape from that lock.
After the grappling session I was even more convinced that for me to go to ground should definitely NOT be my first option. Due to my size ( a 'hefty' 70kgs) I need to stay on my feet as long as possible. I need to add certain groundwork skills resulting in me being better prepared but it wouldn't be my first choice. So I will continue to train on my core strengths while adding to my repertoire.
So for everyone, go out and explore! It can only add to your development and understanding!
Thank you must to said to both Rico and Juan for the time they spent and the way in which they conducted themselves. True warrior gentleman.
Firstly let me say what a pleasure it was to train with guys from another discipline who clearly love their art.
One of my ideals is to constantly learn and add to what I already know and this experience was a prime example of how a basic understanding of other disciplines can add to your karate training.
In a short 2hour period we were only able to really cover about 8 basic situations, from the initial lock up to take downs and then the guard position. And how to deal with both the offensive and defence in these situations.
One of the first crossover lessons I noticed was that even though a larger combatant will have a natural advantage, technique is vital. Correct technique and execution will invariably overcome brute force.
Secondly, for almost every attack there is a defence and reversal, making grappling more of a cerebral chess game than a purely physical endeavour. NOT that it wasn't physical! The amount of sweat shed could have filled a swimming pool!
As mentioned we covered about 8 very basic situations and even in this introductory lesson techniques were discussed that could have been taken from our kata (some directly, others with a little variation).
I need to clarify that neither Rico nor his assistant Juan have either had any training in karate, so they weren't purposefully showing us techniques that could be considered crossover.
Here are just a few:
1) In the initial clinch up (ie standing up each combatant has
one underhook) the point is to try and get two underhooks (basically a bear hug with your arms under your opponent's arms, giving you a good position from which to control any movement). To do this you would use a technique similar to the shihon nukite in Gojushiho sho (JKA). ie sliding you free hand in between your opponents upper arm and chest.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaPPyUnJEDQ
Tito Ortiz video - pummeling similar to Tai Chi 'push hands' drill
www.metacafe.com/watch/2661185/autumn_river_tai_chi_push_hands/
2) Once you have the underhooks, one variation of the double hand grip has the same principle from heian godan's tsukami uke (palm on palm grip after the juji uke - rising x block)
3) Also from heian godan is the rising strike after the empi uchi and augmented block - the rising strike combined with the jump can be seen as a shoulder throw like judo's ippon seionage
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoeSFLNeEPE
4) Dealing with jumps, the jump from Empi can also be a throw while escaping from a headlock or guillotine, similar to Bas Ruttens escape except using the right hand instead of the left hand as Bas does
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtbqRssamvA&feature=fvwrel
5) Finally anyone ever notice how the kimura arm lock resembles kaeshi dori in Bassai sho?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJotiTewRbI&playnext=1&list=PL11E8EF95C46348B6
So that was 5 techniques that even from an introductory grappling session has parallels with karate techniques. Now again I know I might be 'reading' a lot into these and looking for similarities and I don't apologise for that. My core system is karate everything else I learn is in addition to this.
This said if another art contradicts my karate training and is valid I am open to change. Having trained very briefly (ie one session!!!) in Japanese kempo I no longer ascribe to the traditional bunkai for the sequence after the nukite in heian sandan, as I was shown how dangerous it is use this escape from that lock.
After the grappling session I was even more convinced that for me to go to ground should definitely NOT be my first option. Due to my size ( a 'hefty' 70kgs) I need to stay on my feet as long as possible. I need to add certain groundwork skills resulting in me being better prepared but it wouldn't be my first choice. So I will continue to train on my core strengths while adding to my repertoire.
So for everyone, go out and explore! It can only add to your development and understanding!
Thank you must to said to both Rico and Juan for the time they spent and the way in which they conducted themselves. True warrior gentleman.