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Post by grunners4 on Jun 30, 2011 21:20:27 GMT
Just downloaded from his site....will let you know what I think...could be interesting
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Post by fujicolt on Jun 30, 2011 22:40:12 GMT
Although i don't comfortably agree with it all = Ian's work is excellent but i do get a little 'naffed off' when people think it is all NEW. but that isn't Ian's fault and tis great he is getting it out there so well. If it just give's you food for thought that is, in itself, excellent! Enjoy!
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Post by grunners4 on Jul 1, 2011 7:13:53 GMT
Agreed! What I do find important though is what he is doing with technology. A number of times on forums people talk about the way karate is going and making things applicable to a new generation. Iain is definitely making the most of the resources. Twitter, Youtube, Facebook - these are where people are living nowdays. It used to be the local pub, sports club, social club etc now its online.
He loads regular updates (weekly) and is daily on Twitter.
With regards to new stuff, its all about the packaging. Ever wonder why brands like Coca Cola, Nike and even Madonna keep doing well....its about re-inventing and making yourself applicable.
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Post by jimlukelkc on Jul 1, 2011 11:21:54 GMT
With Iain ( A good Northern lad), it is his accessibility and explanations that make it relevant . I do not think he ever says what he is teaching is new and as Steve says if people make that assumption it is not his fault, however if so many people look upon it as revelatory that says a great deal about how karate is is still peddling long held misconceptions as fact. I personally do not take issue with Iains explanations as I keep an open mind about these things and much of what he says makes sense. That is not to say his is the only explanation.
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Post by grunners4 on Jul 1, 2011 22:35:24 GMT
well put Jim. So far watched only about 15 minutes and I must say it is really very good. I wouldn't necessarily use everything but can see how and why I would do it my way. And isn't that the point afterall? Making karate work for you in your own particular circumstance.
What I like tremendously is that he doesn't just speak from a Wado or Shotokan point of view. He shows the differences between the versions and how each has its own implications
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Post by grunners4 on Jul 11, 2011 14:51:41 GMT
OK, so I have had a chance to look at the whole video. Overall enjoyed it and found it useful. The production is very professional and as Jim mentioned his explanations are sound and clear. The accessibility is also important, I could download straight off his site without having to wait for postage etc. His whole alphabet style of teaching kata (i.e. when learning to read we learn ABCDE etc but when putting the letters into practice we might use any combination of those letters) is simple and easy to follow. As a follow up to each bunkai video is the drill video (haven't got that yet) which then shows several flow drills on how to link different bunkai sets together and use within the close quarters parameters. The video looks at a number of implications for stand up strikes, throws and then a bit of ground chokes/ locks, a couple all for the same technique - showing that we mustn't be limited by just one application. Iain consistently emphasizes the need to explore what works for you and use that. Overall, I would first spend the money to attend a seminar and then have the dvd's as a reference point, however with geography working against me, I will use the dvd's and some of our dojo deshi to work on  |
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Post by fujicolt on Jul 11, 2011 15:37:06 GMT
I DID IT - 3 decades ago i suggested we get away from the 'applications of Kata' terminology and instead use the 'implications of what the Kata is implying' .
I see it used everywhere now = Job Done! = Sorry for being self indulgent and having a satisfying rant there! XXXXX
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Post by superjock on Jul 12, 2011 20:12:54 GMT
I DID IT - 3 decades ago i suggested we get away from the 'applications of Kata' terminology and instead use the 'implications of what the Kata is implying' . I see it used everywhere now = Job Done! = Sorry for being self indulgent and having a satisfying rant there! XXXXX Hmm my turn to be dumb butt Steve Am I reading you correct when you are saying ''get away from the 'applications of kata' terminology'' you are saying : - We should not be looking for 'the' application but rather find the principles behind what these applications are showing us. Charles Staley & Bob Orlando talk about techniques as the 'what to do's' and principles as the 'why to do's'. Myself I like to learn the principles. Over the last 27 years I must have been taught 1000s of techniques/combinations, how many can I remember? Next to bugger all. What I look for now are the principles behind what is being taught then I can make it up as I go along. I use this principle of looking for principles in just about everything I do, work and play. |
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Post by malk103 on Sept 25, 2011 0:21:06 GMT
I find Iain's words very helpful, I see it now as not a strict application of Kata but an idea of what can be applied. Maybe if caught in a real situation the Kata's could be showing us through repitition what "could" be applied as opposed to a set routine. If in x situation you could apply a couple of moves from x Kata or x combination etc... The biggest statement made that has hit home with me lately is that everything you need for self defence is "enclosed" within the first several Kata's, by looking for the many applications that could arise from the Kata's.... its at this point that it makes my head hurt as i've only recently learnt the solo moves  |
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Post by fujicolt on Sept 27, 2011 0:24:17 GMT
I find Iain's words very helpful, I see it now as not a strict application of Kata but an idea of what can be applied. Maybe if caught in a real situation the Kata's could be showing us through repitition what "could" be applied as opposed to a set routine. If in x situation you could apply a couple of moves from x Kata or x combination etc... The biggest statement made that has hit home with me lately is that everything you need for self defence is "enclosed" within the first several Kata's, by looking for the many applications that could arise from the Kata's.... its at this point that it makes my head hurt as i've only recently learnt the solo moves don't commit too soon = explore some more = t'will be worth it!   |
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Post by Ernst on Dec 6, 2011 6:08:52 GMT
Speaking of Iain Abernethy..me and four of my clubmates just attended a seminar with Iain last weekend and it was superb! Good, logical explanations, the pieces and questions we have all had for years brilliantly explained! We were all asking ourselves-"What have we been doing for years,in regards to bunkai"? :)They never seemed very usable, as we have been taught and explained. As a sidemark, also attended a JKA course the weekend before, with top japanese senseis. Their katasessions were also very good, in a technical aspect, but the bunkai explanations..say no more.. Have not focused very much on kataapplications, our club has always been more focused on the "technical" aspects of kata instead of its use for real life situations. This course was really an eye-opener and we will definitely take back much of the Iains way of thinking and exploring of kata to our own training. Would recommend any karateka to try one of his seminars |
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Post by jimlukelkc on Dec 17, 2011 14:39:26 GMT
Ernst , I feel we often get bogged down in the "technical aspects" and often forget ( or do not realise in the first place) that every kata has an underlying principle to teach. Learn the principle then concentrate on getting your kata up to grading or ( shudder!) competition standard. As a civilian combat method, kata is effective. As a defence against Kumite distance basic karate techniques it is not.
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