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Post by fujicolt on Nov 20, 2011 15:57:01 GMT
Hey Guys and Girls
Does the organisation you are licenced with:
1. Bring outside Instructors to do courses for your group.
2. Do they encourage you to go to Courses other than theirs
3. Do they encourage you to invite outside Instructors to your Dojo
4. Do they encourage you to visit other Dojo
or
Would the above be frowned upon or even forbidden?
thanks Guys and Gals.
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Post by Bob Davis on Nov 20, 2011 18:29:31 GMT
1.They would say yes (but not really). 2.No 3.No 4.No >Would the above be frowned upon or even forbidden? We are not actively encouraged to look outside in any way, no more are we discouraged, it's just not mentioned at all and (for most of our students it would seem) the thought of the possibility never seems to even occur  The official line is that if you would like to train outside that, depending on grade (below Nidan) you should clear it and above that it would be polite to say. Having said that I've been training outside since brown belt without issue (although I've no doubt there's been some tutting in certain circles). |
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Post by malk103 on Nov 20, 2011 18:39:57 GMT
Never heard of our club inviting outside instructors, as we are a small club then we may struggle to fill a hall - although saying that we have had a surge of joiners lately.... The senior instructor actively encourages the more senior students to train with others and to attend any course we are interested in. As I will be instructing next year then when I am more confident I would like to run the occasional lesson on a weekend, maybe concentrate on Kata's or Kumite - or whatever the majority need/want. The next logical step is to make it longer in a bigger hall and invite a guest instructor along. I think in the true spirit of being instructed then it should be encouraged to train with different instructors, no doubt there will be small variations in style but you would gain the experience of more people. Question back for you - would a senior instructor only want to train senior students, only adults or anyone with a Gi on?  |
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Post by fujicolt on Nov 20, 2011 23:22:48 GMT
if that Senior be me - i absolutely honestly do not give any credence to whether they be absolute beginners or seniors - I think i could work out a class for them - but then that is my , possibly conceited opinion! Go ask! bUt PLEASE don't ask then to eVarLUete mE Spelink und GrAMMer!  |
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Post by fujicolt on Nov 20, 2011 23:24:40 GMT
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Post by fujicolt on Nov 20, 2011 23:34:56 GMT
no doubt there will be small variations in style but you would gain the experience of more people. Read more: ourshotokanstudies.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=686&page=1#ixzz1cG4ltyNuOh dear - small variations? Come and train I am confident i can change that opinion! I think this is gonna get me in trouble again BUT lets see what Malc says when he has visited and trained - then you have an independant viewpoint - sorry for the pressure Malc.  the whole OSS crew will be waiting to know - Malc, did he talk crap or what? LOL! |
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Post by malk103 on Nov 21, 2011 9:16:19 GMT
Your link just comes back to this page.....  .......bUt PLEASE don't ask then to eVarLUete mE Spelink und GrAMMer! Maybe we could trade some training with computers but I think I might have the raw end of the deal.... Back on track slightly, whenever I have appraoched other clubs they have been more than helpfull and welcoming to go along and train with them, so long as you belong to an org and have insurance. |
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Post by fujicolt on Nov 21, 2011 15:16:11 GMT
Hey Mal - trying to get me computer literate would be like knitting fog! Look forward to meeting you.
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Post by tomobrien on Nov 22, 2011 2:48:10 GMT
Does the organisation you are licenced with: - nobody would ever issued me a license to do anything! Lucky I can drive  1. Bring outside Instructors to do courses for your group? I'll bring anybody in but nobody stays  They think we're nuts!  2. Do they encourage you to go to Courses other than theirs? Only anger management courses  3. Do they encourage you to invite outside Instructors to your Dojo? Only if they don't like them 4. Do they encourage you to visit other Dojo? Yeah but they are always very far away Thanks, Tom |
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Post by dek1 on Nov 23, 2011 20:54:43 GMT
1. Bring outside Instructors to do courses for your group.We hold a yearly course with the Budokwai Shotokan Karate club. The Blackburn club are SKIGB and we have now moved to the JKS Scotland. As it was our turn to hold the course we had Sensei Kevin Clark from the SKIGB and Sensei's Paul Giannandrea (head of JKS Scotland) and Robert Steagles teaching the course.
2. Do they encourage you to go to Courses other than theirsYes the whole association appears to encourage an open mind approach to learning. Also all of their courses are open to all regardless of affiliation.
3. Do they encourage you to invite outside Instructors to your Dojo Yes as has been shown by the clubs in Dundee and Cowdenbeath along with ours who all have run courses in the past few months with different affiliated instructors.
4. Do they encourage you to visit other Dojo They dont discourage in fact the last time I trainded with Sensei Paul he was teaching a kata with no punches from another style of karate.
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Would the above be frowned upon or even forbidden? No and never. When we left the SKIEF this year our Sensei spent a lot of time looking for the right association for us and since moving to the JKS Scotland the openness shown to learning and training has been an eye opener even to a novice like myself.
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Post by Syl Walsh on Dec 4, 2011 19:30:41 GMT
Yes it is difficult for a small club to pay for outside instructors! We have some outside 3rd, 4th and 5th dans come to train with us, so our doors are always open. We don't stop any going on courses else where.
The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
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Post by nathanso on Dec 5, 2011 7:06:49 GMT
The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing. That sounds like a description of either false modesty or pathological insecurity. A wise person knows both what he knows and what he doesn't. |
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Post by fujicolt on Dec 5, 2011 9:04:42 GMT
Hey shogunsan - we all place our names in our posts here - we all feel more comfortable that way - don't be shy we dont bite - except those whom don't post their name that is LOL!
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Post by kensei on Dec 5, 2011 15:15:08 GMT
Hey Guys and Girls Does the organisation you are licenced with: 1. Bring outside Instructors to do courses for your group. outside, no. The JKA has however began to send out instructors again all over the place. Our local organization however has done a rather lackluster job of marketing this to even other clubs in the country2. Do they encourage you to go to Courses other than theirs I said I was with the JKA right? Nuff said3. Do they encourage you to invite outside Instructors to your Dojo Two things, one I live in the middle of the largest country in the world...land mass wise and it is not easy to get to Winnipeg and not a lot of reason to do so. Its very expensive to bring in people to this Ice feild...er city....and being part of the JKA...not so much!4. Do they encourage you to visit other Dojo or Would the above be frowned upon or even forbidden? Frowned upon...No, Discourage...Not really...but they may suggest its a bad idea...they even put it in the rules, but I know of many, even those in bigger cities centers who do so...and get away with it.thanks Guys and Gals. |
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Post by kensei on Dec 5, 2011 15:16:48 GMT
The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing. That sounds like a description of either false modesty or pathological insecurity. A wise person knows both what he knows and what he doesn't. Now thats crazy...how can you know what you dont know....I think a wise person understands that their is much they dont know...but they dont know what they dont know....Sounds like Fortune cookie confusionism to me! |
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Post by nathanso on Dec 5, 2011 19:04:36 GMT
I'll rephrase- a wise person should know both what they know and where the limits to their knowledge begin.
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Post by kensei on Dec 6, 2011 3:33:33 GMT
I'll rephrase- a wise person should know both what they know and where the limits to their knowledge begin. I was just playing, but that is perfect! |
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Post by bryan on Dec 11, 2011 15:56:14 GMT
From a personal perspective I've always had a view of going to train with the best instructors that I could train, irrespective or Martial Art or style that they taught. It's got me into hot water with some associations and instructors, not that I've been to bothered by that, other than once going to a course and 1/2 way through the Instructor (not recognising me) asked me where I trained and once I told him, said that because I wasn't part of their association that I had to leave.
I encourage our students to cross train in other arts such as Judo / Ju Jitsu or MMA. For some of them this is a grading requirement.
This year we've had course in Ju Jitsu, Groundwork, Judo, Tai Chi, Pressure Points, Weapons and other stlyes of Karate. Plus external courses including KFM and MMA. Not sure what next year will bring, still waiting for feedback for what we want to do.
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Post by fujicolt on Dec 14, 2011 22:57:45 GMT
Way to go Bryan - as i have stated many times - training with other styles over the years has taught me a great deal about the true depth (often not taught - I've been lucky with my core Instructors ) of my chosen MA: Shotokan Karate. It is a healthy approach and more importantly you meet great people. your students are very lucky to have a leader with such an empowering attitude! Shame yer an ugly git LMAO! |
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Post by th0mas on Jan 3, 2012 12:15:00 GMT
Hi All (apologies Steve have been off-line for sometime) In our organisation our senior Technical Instructor although cantancerous is not precious about spreading the love 1. Bring outside Instructors to do courses for your group.
2. Do they encourage you to go to Courses other than theirs
3. Do they encourage you to invite outside Instructors to your Dojo
4. Do they encourage you to visit other Dojo or Would the above be frowned upon or even forbidden?..to be honest I personally wouldn't want to be part of a group that did not actively undertake all of these principles.. for me, it is the variety and the evolution of what we do that has sustained my interest in karate for over 25 years. Happy New year all Tom Runge |
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Post by fujicolt on Jan 4, 2012 6:05:11 GMT
I AM NOT CANTANCEROUS!!  NIce to see you back again Tom. LMAO! |
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Post by genkaimade on Jan 13, 2012 13:45:40 GMT
Hi Steve,
1. Bring outside Instructors to do courses for your group.
Yup, Namiki most recently I think, if my memory serves me correctly!
2. Do they encourage you to go to Courses other than theirs
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4. Do they encourage you to visit other Dojo
My answer to these two is the same, and relies on my only two real experiences of them:
1) Before going on a French exchange in about March last year, I was speaking with my instructor and mentioned that my exchange partner was a Judo-ka, so I may be attending his classes with him next week. His response was something along the lines of 'Good good! Train! I would never say a bad word about another martial art. Just be careful, it might hurt!'
2) I had a university interview a few weeks ago and wanted to train with the club there whilst I was at the university. Having previously heard that there was bad blood between our club and Ohta (the head instructor at the University's club), I spoke with my instructor to find out whether I should maybe reconsider training with them. His response was something along the lines of 'No no! Train with them! He's a very good technician! If he asks about the patch on your gi, just say that you don't know about the problems!'.
3. Do they encourage you to invite outside Instructors to your Dojo
I've never admittedly experienced a guest instructor instructing at our dojo.
5. Would the above be frowned upon or even forbidden?
I can't really answer, but I highly doubt it.
Does this help?
Alex
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the whole OSS crew will be waiting to know - Malc, did he talk crap or what? LOL!
They think we're nuts! 
