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Post by Ernst on Mar 22, 2012 21:09:55 GMT
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Post by fujicolt on Mar 22, 2012 23:01:21 GMT
Ernst - be proud not only of the tremendous fight your chaps put up but also the manner in which they didn't abandon the important rule relating to 'Control' as Kagawa did as he realised these two were there to really give him a fight. Excellent from them both IMHO OSU!
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Post by nathanso on Mar 27, 2012 6:26:58 GMT
I liked how neither backed down as Kagawa over-escalated the level of contact.
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Post by Allan Shepherd on Mar 27, 2012 17:44:05 GMT
Hello Ernst
You have to admire the controlled tenacity of both Stein and Morten. I don't think that it is "respectless" fighting spirit, I think that they both had respect for who Sensei Kagawa was and honoured both him and Norway. Fighting style is a personal trait so I would like think that Sensei Kagawa came away from both fighters and thought twice about them as karateka who represented Norway and that he might meet them in the future.
Best Regards
Allan
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Post by fujicolt on Mar 28, 2012 21:17:43 GMT
OK I'll be the one to say it (because folks you have all got to get over this worshipping Japanese Sensei as people whom can do no wrong) At the time of these bouts Kagawa was just a new member of the JKA squad - he developed further later but he was then by NO way a MAster or Senior = fact. His disregard for the rules on control, because he was getting soundly beat - was disgraceful and not at all acceptable - the Norwegian chaps not only fought him well but showed better fighting control and spirit than he. If we never let go of this oft undeserved reverance towards Japanese Karateka Karate will stagnate and be lost sooner than we think. Now don't misunderstand me here - i have great respect for many Japanese Karateka present and past BUT i have also realised that i have learnt far more from non japanese as expressed by others on this site! face the reality folks as it is far more comfortable to see Karate AS IT IS rather than as you want it to be or falsely believe it to be  |
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Post by nathanso on Mar 29, 2012 7:00:39 GMT
His disregard for the rules on control, because he was getting soundly beat - was disgraceful and not at all acceptable - the Norwegian chaps not only fought him well but showed better fighting control and spirit than he. This is unfortunately something that it is not uncommon to see- someone resorts to excessive contact when they are not doing well against someone who they consider to be not be their equal. It says a lot about their character. |
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Post by kensei on Mar 29, 2012 12:15:51 GMT
WOW! the first bits of the film I was not to impressed with the hopping about, but I have to admit that they were damn fine fights till Kagawa looses it and blasts them. Kind of sad really, I like Kagawas form and techniques but he gets out classed with mobility and speed.
My thoughts, if he had used his Go No sen and just waited for the little guy he could have beat him soundly, but got flustered by movement and a fighter that had his number and turned to brutish attacks. Sad!
The taller guy, well I kind of think that Kagawa was a truck load stronger but knew his length and the big guy is FAST and this had Kagawa thrown.
I have to say, this is a perfect example of why we need to realize that Japanese fighters are not gods! they are human and Kagawa was younger and lost control of his emotions. the sad thing is its not the first, nor will it be the last time.
Both the European gents are giants in my eyes when it comes to understanding respect in game! very fun watch thank you.
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