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Post by malk103 on Apr 17, 2012 6:38:00 GMT
Although it's still a year and a half away I plan to grade for 2nd Dan at the earliest opportunity, as i'm over 40 already I need to get em done, just wondering which Kata I will need to learn for Nidan? So far I've done Heians, Tekki Shodan, Bassai Dai and Empi for BB, i've since learnt Nijushiho, Sochin, and Jion - although some of these are advanced it just happened to fall that way.
Is there a definite list or does is vary wildly from club to club, org, assoc etc?
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Post by nathanso on Apr 17, 2012 6:49:15 GMT
It will of course depend on your club/org. Some will have a mandatory list and some will leave it up to you- ask your instructor.
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Post by kensei on Apr 17, 2012 13:08:40 GMT
When I did my Nidan I had practiced Kanku Dai for months, I was sure I wanted to do this Kata. I liked it, it felt crisp and I was in my early 30s so I felt my power and speed were at their perfect point for this. I drilled in it with Dingman Sensei to really get a feel for it and learn what I was doing and why...not just dance. I was not sure when I would test but I was sure what Kata I wanted to do. We went to a training camp one year, and I was not really looking to test, just wanted to work out. I went through testing and Dingman Sensei had to leave for Vancouver to visit his daughter. I was in Canmore and just working out on the last day before testing when Saeki Sensei asked me to test. I was shocked and though "I have to talk to Sensei Dingman and get permission" but he was on the road and I had MINUTES till testing. I got up in front of the testing board and I was all ready to test, we (the 8 of us) were all ready, they called my name...I walked up and as they asked me the name of the Kata I was going to do...thinking in my head "oh, man thank GOD I focused on Kanku dai"....they said "Kata name" and I said "BASSAI DAI" No idea what happened or why I did that, but I passed and from what I was told did a half way decent Bassai Dai. I was in shock!!!! but the truth is that I had done Bassai Dai for YEARS at that point and it was probably my bodies way of saying...dont be an idiot...do what you know best. Let your body pick your Kata man!
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Post by ruestir on Apr 17, 2012 17:10:18 GMT
I was encouraged to pick three kata that I was really interested in learning. Of course, with Elmar I was expected to know all the Heians, Tekkis, Bassai Dai, Kanku Dai, Empi and Jion for Shodan. For Nidan it has been more or less my choice. Elmar had some suggestions one of which is the Goju Ryu kata Seiunchin, and the other Sochin. I'm still trying to decide on the last one and have been practicing a variety seeing which one fits. I've got it narrowed down to Nijushiho and Gankaku. So, I haven't really helped answer your question I guess.
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Post by malk103 on Apr 17, 2012 20:40:03 GMT
So there isn't a set list of Kata to know for Nidan? Or you can select which ones to do for the grading, i'm guessing you will need to do more than a few at a very good standard. I used to think that you would work logically down the list in order - like the order of Kanazawa Sensei's video series. What other sort of things are required for Nidan, I think I did almost everything i'd ever learnt for Shodan, including answering questions. ;D
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Post by nathanso on Apr 17, 2012 22:37:40 GMT
So there isn't a set list of Kata to know for Nidan? Like I said, it will depend on the dojo and organization. Many, perhaps most, make it a free choice. Others have a set requirement. My current club requires K-sho, B-sho, Jitte, Chinte, and T3, and the test usually will include doing bunkai for one of them. Sometimes a Heian will be thrown in as well. Here are the JKA nidan requirements, and the SKIF testing syllabus.
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Post by fujicolt on Apr 18, 2012 17:43:41 GMT
Neil is spot on - it all depends on which Org your are grading with - it really can go from the sublime to the ridiculous! I Feel the best thing for you to do is simply ask your Organisation's Secretary if there are written criteria for the exams. Good Luck either way
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Post by snorri1 on Apr 18, 2012 17:52:30 GMT
I took my nidan exam 3 weeks ago. I had worked on jitte for ages but when they said, "state your kata" I couldn't even remember the first move! My mind just went blank. I did jion instead, then I was aked to do bassai dai and then kanku dai.
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Post by fujicolt on Apr 18, 2012 17:58:14 GMT
and the result David - successful pass I assume? (who did you grade with?
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Post by snorri1 on Apr 18, 2012 18:16:31 GMT
Yes I passed thanks Steve. My examiners were Ian Smith and John Barker, 6th and 5th dan KWF.
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Post by Paul Bedard on Apr 19, 2012 4:27:40 GMT
When I tested for nidan, I used Jion for my personal kata & was asked to do empi for the second kata. We were JKA at the time & the requirements were that in addition to the heians & tekki shodan, you should know the sentes kata, bassai dai, empi, jion & kanku dai, also tekki nidan & hangetsu. Tekki sandan is a requirement for grading for sandan. Up to the sandan level the core 15 kata are recommended; Heians (5), tekkis (3), sentes (4), hangetsu, jutte & gankaku. Of course others are done but you should really have a good grasp on these 15. Nijushiho & sochin, along with chinte are also popular at this level. Mostly I see kanku sho & bassai sho after sandan level.. Osu Paul B
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Post by Rob S on Apr 21, 2012 12:25:47 GMT
We have Kihon and Kumite (Shiai and Jissen), Makiwara or Tameshiwari, a ronbun (essay/thesis) on karate-do kata and its necessity - and of course performance of the Kata.
Our kata requirements are:
Shiteigata 1. Hangetsu 2. Jitte 3. Enpi
Tokuigata Favourite kata (except Heian katas).
Every association is different, all have different wish lists in their karate, and all have differing examination requirements to a degree.
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Post by malk103 on Apr 21, 2012 19:04:10 GMT
Thanks for all your input, there are a few that keep coming up that i've not done yet so will aim for these next, although my Sensei possibly has a cunning plan as he has said before to learn one Kata to make another easier to learn.
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