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Post by Dod Watt on Aug 9, 2012 15:54:42 GMT
I have taken on myself to remove the topic Andre Bertle, as I find that this could again get out of hand. Could we please get back to discussing about our karate, or if you want to argue please keep it private away from the rest of the members.
We have a lot of great contributors to the site, some of which are getting caught up in this bickering, and ok you can say we have freedom to express our views, but come on guys we are adults and should be acting like so.
I do have a lot to deal with at the moment, so please I ask you all, make life a bit easier and come to terms that we will never always agree, so lets agree to disagree agreeably, life is to short!!!
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Post by Allan Shepherd on Aug 10, 2012 9:09:14 GMT
Hello George I applaud you for making the decision to completely remove the Andre Birtel topic regarding the seminar in November in Blackpool. As I informed you I felt that another pattern was re-emerging that took the emphasis on the information regarding the course off course towards someones own personal issues towards me and Andre Bertel that I thought, had abated. What I am disapointed with is the link for anyone to access IF they wish to either make a general enquiry or secure a place on the course has also been removed. We are in essence a debating and information site so maybe the course information ONLY can be re-instated. In the meantime anyone who now wishes to access information on the course can do so by visiting www.theshotokanway.com since I am aware that TSW site is visited by regulars who frequent the OSS site. Alternatively if anyone wishes additional further information on the course they can either contact me by PM or google "IJKA Blackpool" to contact Michael Barr direct. Best Regards Allan
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Post by Rob S on Aug 10, 2012 10:09:40 GMT
Despots, Neptosim,Politics, Karate. Come on everyone, if we are so insecure about our karate that we resort to name calling, bickering, etc. then really what is there left?
Training!
And that is what we should all be interested in.
So a good course is on offer, surely the information highway should allow the venue, location, date, etc. to be available to members of a forum?
If the people bickering continue, why not delete them from the super highway, and ask them to take another road?
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Post by kensei on Aug 11, 2012 3:12:52 GMT
Sorry gang, been on holidays for a bit and not able to check this site as much as I want to.
First off it should be known that their are hard feelings for things that were done and time heals all wounds....this has not been enough time!
Second we have to realize why the harsh feelings exist to some extent and realize that we are all human but our trespasses against others tend to be held against us!
And we should learn from the issues.
I do believe...Nuff Said on this subject Dod was right to delete it!
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Post by Allan Shepherd on Aug 13, 2012 22:23:01 GMT
Hi James An apology takes seconds, regret last a life time We do not need to realise why, harsh feelings should not be discussed on this site...full stop. George had no option but to delete simply because based upon the ethos of the site, credability was at stake. I am not after any medals here but I would like to think that it was a culmination of my last posting on the topic plus my PM to George plus common sense that won the day. Would like to see the seminar details posted again though as per my second paragraph. Best Regards Allan
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Post by fujicolt on Aug 17, 2012 1:00:50 GMT
I am sorry folks but for just about the first time I am gonna disagree with Dod. To avoid discussing the reality of Ab's deeply unpleasent comments about this site and those that post here - bordering on threats is in my opinion dealing with a Bully by running away!
Surely Karate is about self defence not about running and running in the hopw you don't get caught. the truth needs outing here and i am surprised at any attempt to avoid it!
Uncomfortable - maybe - but justified - definately and I wish that the one he first blasted at would let me show you and we could all respond. But i promised I would not - without his permission, show you all!.
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Post by kensei on Aug 17, 2012 11:59:32 GMT
I am sorry folks but for just about the first time I am gonna disagree with Dod. To avoid discussing the reality of Ab's deeply unpleasent comments about this site and those that post here - bordering on threats is in my opinion dealing with a Bully by running away! Surely Karate is about self defence not about running and running in the hopw you don't get caught. the truth needs outing here and i am surprised at any attempt to avoid it! Uncomfortable - maybe - but justified - definately and I wish that the one he first blasted at would let me show you and we could all respond. But i promised I would not - without his permission, show you all!. I am going to side with Dod here only because any personal attack on AB with out the information that was given to you and the attacks themselves will be based on unpronion attacks....and make us look bad. We can all form our own thoughts on him in the mean time. with out the threats being published then its just us saying "AB is an arse because.....we say so" and that is never a defendable stance. I am sure that Dod has thought of this but if we dont have the person step forwards and out AB then perhaps he should just become another person that we dont talk about here! Steve, I am in your corner on this one, but in this case I am siding with Dod until the proof is brought forth, I mean other than his blog posts attacking people!
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Post by Bob Davis on Aug 17, 2012 13:22:14 GMT
Apologies, and I hope this is taken the right way by ALL concerned but I don't believe the thread was taken down because of the "AB" issue but more the continual bickering and unpleasant tone of members of this forum. Dod has more than enough to deal with without us acting like children on his forum.
I can understand some strong feelings and frustration particularly when one member is in possession of information the rest of us are not and has no avenue to air it BUT it doesn't do the forum as a whole any good for us to be "disagreeable" to each other.
The jury is still out on this one (I like others have opinions on this) but we ALL need to look in the mirror occasionally when we start down these paths (and before anyone starts to protest they are the "injured party" remember there are many ways to be an arse, aggression may be one but smugness is no more atractive).
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Post by kensei on Aug 17, 2012 18:32:09 GMT
The jury is still out on this one (I like others have opinions on this) but we ALL need to look in the mirror occasionally when we start down these paths (and before anyone starts to protest they are the "injured party" remember there are many ways to be an arse, aggression may be one but smugness is no more atractive). Bob, I looked in the mirror today alreayd....I am a arse as well on occasion and find I have to appologize to people when I speak first and speak my mind...and then realize that even if I was right in what I said...the timing or context was poorly selected.... However, in this case I am not wrong. I have had my own run ins with AB on the web and while he is often nice enough, he is also harsh and quick to attack and rather rude! Oh, and he never said sorry after he did it and realized it was a bit agressive. Me calling him an arse was a mild charactoization of what I feel about the person I ran into via the web and his actions. Its my oppinion and to be frank it stands. Now I also know he attacked others, I dont know to what extent or to what degree but I know he did it. The fact that we are not allowed to weight the evidence does not change my mind due to my previous experience with him. Having said that I think this topic is done. and I will officially flex the minimum muscle I have here and say for the record that unless someone allows Steve to publish the issue openly for us to read and personally judge...this topic and the topic of AB is dead. my feelings are pretty much the same as Dods at this point and it does not matter if its because some are acting like children as you suggest, it draws to much school girl drama as I suggest or any other reason we can think of.....Topic is a no fly zone people. Done and done.
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Post by Bob Davis on Aug 17, 2012 18:48:10 GMT
Hi James Oh, the joys of the written word My use of your quote was perhaps a bit ill advised as it wasn't aimed at you and certainly had nothing to do with opinions on AB at all. I was mearly using it to point out that a number of people have behaved like arses here recently (looks like I need to add my name to the list ) and we all need to just take a step back and look at ourselves occasionaly rather than going with the "heat of the moment" (or to keep poking the angry man to see if you can make him bite). Just because we know what we mean in our own heads doesn't mean any one else will have a clue when we write it down (as evidenced by the immediate misunderstanding in the above). As you say, 'nuff said on the subject and I'll crawl back under my rock.
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Post by Allan Shepherd on Aug 17, 2012 21:02:54 GMT
Hi Guys
I thought that we had moved on from name calling?...obviously NOT!!
Does this mean that George has to get involved...again?
Since the subject of AB has been brought up yet again...yawn, get we have the course details reinstated?
Is anyone who is posting actually going to attend this course for the karate content that they might learn something?
Best Regards Allan
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Post by kensei on Aug 17, 2012 23:40:58 GMT
Allan,
I know you have an axe to grind, I know you have a strong personal issue here and my suggestion that "nuff said" is "Canadian" for DROP IT!
You are the only one that is pushing buttons and we are all reacting to this...As a MOD here I am just about done with this whole silly thing. you have issues with Steve or with our having an issue with someone....PM people.
I will make you a deal, post the info about where you can go train with Andre while he is in England, that is fair. but do it in a way that does not promote contraversy or it will be scrubbed free of the site and done away with.
It is getting very difficult to keep the peace here and it would be much easier if we all just said "look we all like different people and have different views" and move along.
So, in my best bold Canadian accent....."Nuff Said on the subject"! (See what I did with that)
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Post by Allan Shepherd on Aug 18, 2012 8:57:30 GMT
Hello James
Please let me reiterate something here.
I do NOT have any axes to grind and I do NOT have a strong personal issue here with anyone....including SH. I am not the one perpetuating the AB thing. Please read your own posts within this topic and those of SH.
I have applauded George for removing same and simply pointed out the removal of the course details that I thought George would reinstate.
My post yesterday at 9:02pm was simply making an observation that in truth questioned had the name calling stopped from the posts PRIOR to mine at 9:02pm!
I will post the information again regarding the course as per before but you must understand I do not have any control over people's negative responses. Constraint is the key word here if ANYONE feels that they have to get something of their chest.
Best Regards Allan
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